Vic Harris

It's not, you know, like that kind of stuff.

Cool.

You can cut out or you can swap to other things.

Like there is just the world is still so reliant on energy and you can't just swap from anything.

oil to another source of energy.

There's not enough.

And it starts impacting people.

If you're in the depths of winter and you can't afford to put your heater on and you're an older lady, there's people's lives that start being at risk and stuff.

It's quite detrimental.

countries being able to like protect consumers and shield them from suffering from an enormous but then there's countries who would have like completely different impacts as flow-ons from what's happening why and how is that a thing so like if we take Australia for example they had very little reserves when we went into this war so they didn't have a lot of days or weeks as other countries so they're kind of like oh shit

Europe is a different camp.

It's very reliant on – it's a big, big energy producer.

It doesn't produce anything itself, so therefore it's impacted but in a different way.

Then you've got the Asian countries, which get 90% of their oil from the Middle East.

So they're running out right now.

They've got no oil, some of them.

So it's like everyone's slightly differently impacted.

But also you've got countries that –

can do things that can support consumers.

So they could be like, you know what, we...