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Victor Vescovo

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

The prices of those metals have gone down precipitously.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

Cobalt is now down to $30,000 a ton, and that's only because there was such an oversupply of cobalt in the last year that the main exporter, the Democratic Republic of Congo,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

halted exports of it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

The price of nickel has come down to $15,000 a ton from $70,000 a ton.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

It's on the downslope.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

If you look at the financial projections of Mr. Barron's company, they are projecting prices to come back up.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

that stands in contrast to the technological substitution that's happening for those metals for lithium iron phosphate batteries, and now sodium ion batteries, which are simply batteries that use cheaper materials.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

They're not quite as good batteries as those that use nickel and cobalt, but they're good enough.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

They're good enough such that the vast majority of vehicles now produced in China with electric vehicle batteries use no nickel, no cobalt, it's all lithium iron phosphate.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

So there are technological issues, there are technical ones, and then being a nerdy finance guy like myself, really digging into their financial projections and seeing how they're trying to say that they're going to make lots of money.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

I can go into very specific reasons why, but as a financial professional and venture capitalist, I simply don't agree with their numbers.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

I think they're fanciful.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

It is.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

And there's plenty of room for the debate, and they have very strong viewpoint.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

But I think they cannot deny the fact that polymetallic nodules really only yield four metals.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

Two of them are very common, and two of them are increasingly irrelevant.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

And then there's the whole strategic angle with China.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

That's been the big pivot that the company did in the last year.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

Two or three years ago, they were saying, oh, we're the source for electric vehicle batteries.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#244 Victor Vescovo – Solo Dive to the Titanic, Cloning Humans & Reviving Extinct Animals

Well, I think that narrative wasn't working well.