Victor Vescovo

We then kayaked 21 miles to shore.

Yeah, did some seal stuff.

Biked and then hiked up Mauna Kea.

So it was the first time anyone had ever done the full distance of Mauna Kea, but I got to do it with a local from Hawaii who was a marine biologist, who was describing what it was like as a scientist to do that experience.

And yeah, it was a bit of a stunt and it was, I'm a mountaineer and I liked doing it, but there are also other, look,

People always complain that scientific activities don't get enough money.

They don't get enough research money from the government.

They don't get enough support.

Well, part of it is marketing and you need to make things interesting to the lay person or even exciting for heaven forbid.

I go back to the golden age of exploration with Amundsen and Scott, the race for the polls.

That captured the imagination of

All the people all over the world.

And they were excited about science and they funded it.

And that's what a lot of us are trying to do at the Explorers Club and people like me.

We're trying to make people excited about exploration and investing their time and their attention to it in an attention-deprived world.

Of course.

Yeah, Atlantis is a tricky subject in marine research.

A lot of people poo-poo the idea.

They think it was just an invention.

Maybe it was part of Spain.