Victor Vescovo

Well, it's interesting you say that.

The places I haven't dived yet.

So part of the issue in diving to the bottom of all five oceans, we didn't know where the bottom of four of the oceans were.

So we actually had to put the biggest sonar ever put on a civilian vessel on my ship.

And we had to map the areas first because we didn't know where to dive.

And so of the trenches I have not been in, I'd probably use as the shakedown cruise going to all the trenches I haven't been to and mapping them thoroughly so that when I eventually get another submersible, I can know where to go.

Yes, but I'm not going to talk about it.

Because the number one problem with ocean research, you're not going to believe it.

It's not technology.

It's not money.

It's not people.

It's permitting.

Getting permits from governments to dive an experimental submersible in their waters makes some of them nervous, especially from a former naval intelligence officer.

I could see that.

I could see that.

Yeah.

Well, no, I really do.

But I'm so proud of our country, who we are as a culture.

And I know we have a lot of issues.

Every country does, believe me.