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Victoria Nuland

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
56 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

In the 1930s, we offshore balanced our way into letting Hitler almost take over Europe, and the Japanese imperial forces almost dominate Asia.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

But when Americans, Canadians, and free nations everywhere joined forces to vanquish those monsters and then built institutions like NATO, the EU, and the UN, we ushered in the longest period of security and prosperity the world has ever known.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

But as Mike has said, hunting doesn't necessarily mean going to war or regime change, as they're trying to accuse us of.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

As a career diplomat, I will always choose diplomacy first.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

But it's got to be backed by power to deter, to contain, to constrain the monster, to dig a ditch that he falls into if we can't reach a settlement that neutralizes him or keeps him in his lair.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

War must be the last resort, but history shows some monsters will not stop until they're vanquished.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

As practitioners, Mike and I also know that each monster is different.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

Each requires a different set of tools, ranging from inducements to negotiations to deterrents to political and economic pressure and combinations of those.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

As strong nations, we have a full toolkit, but locking away those tools or watching from the sidelines is not the right answer.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

Nor will Mike and I argue that the US has always deployed its tools right, or in the right way, or gotten the right outcome.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

But not acting is often more dangerous, waiting not just for the monster to appear at our door, but for it to get into the house.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

I personally remember vividly a time when we acted, did not act, and paid dearly for it.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

During countless conversations that I witnessed in Moscow in the 1990s, including with Putin, senior Russians warned us about the growth of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and its potential threat to the United States.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

intelligence didn't take it seriously.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

How could some dudes hiding in caves actually threaten us?

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

The Russians must be trying to trick us out of our offshore armchair, carefully balanced.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

We learned our lesson on September 11th.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

Inaction, inattention to the monsters in our midst can often be more costly than the mistakes we inevitably make during a complex monster hunt.

The Munk Debates Podcast
Foreign wars opening statements

Here's another thing.