Vince Chan
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6,989 appearances
347 recordings
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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You are an entrepreneur. You got support from your investors. Good for you. But that's only one piece of the situation. In Penning's case... She went out there, exposed herself, faced the people, faced the challenges, trying to turn distrust into trust, to win the hearts and minds of people, get the buy-in in order to fit in. On top of that, she went for an MBA degree.
She tried to build up her knowledge base to become more business savvy. But it's not just the body of knowledge or the fame of the degree. A lot of people thinking of getting an MBA degree missed the point. It's the situation you got yourself in that makes a difference in your life and career. In Pei Ling's case, she was younger, had less business experiences, let alone international experiences.
But then, in those two years, she got direct exposure, direct interaction with people from all around the world, classmates who are more mature, more experienced from all walks of life, plus the professors. the deep knowledge in a lot of areas. Within two years, she built up not just the momentum of her growth, but the solid foundation for her to keep going on and on and on.
So that's the value of an MBA degree in her situation. not to mention about a very important ecosystem of support she has nurtured over time. When she refreezes as a competent woman leader to fight for the interests of her people, she got all of those elements in place. It's about her, but it's also about her. To recap, three-step model of change.
First, unfreeze, where you figure out yourself the need and the motivation to change. Second, Think like a social psychologist. Figure out your environment. Remember, change behavior is a function of a person and a situation. Figure out the strengthening and the weakening factors. Magnify the positive reinforcement factors. Downplay the negative reinforcement factors.
In some cases, the situation isn't just right for you, then get out of it. You don't have to get yourself stuck in that. Change your game. Get onto another stage for you to sing, to dance, to perform, and outperform. Third, solidify all of these change elements. They're self-reinforcing to each other, so you're essentially building yourself a wider and deeper foundation.
taking you from the older self to the future self in a much more sustainable and successful manner. There is no overnight success. That's just a myth. Any success, any sustainable success always takes patience, effort, and a deep process of change. Now, let's go back to Pei Ling's story. Let's look at her model of change, how she made her own law of change to play the long game.
I met you around 2013 when you started MBA. When I recall the statistics of our class, the average age was 37. You were among the youngest. What's the logic and psychology behind your decision to pursue an MBA degree after you got into politics?
How would you describe your two years experience studying with people who are from different walks of life and most of us are older, have different experience from you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, part of your growth process, you are always on call as a coach. elected member of the parliament, always community works, always on. And then you finish your MBA education, you move back to the real world, you got your private sector job, full-time job, you got this public duty, and you're a mother of two.
How do you balance, not just balancing your timetables, but also the roles you played? How do you balance all these different responsibilities and duties?
You mentioned about women empowerment. Tell us a bit more about your work there, perhaps other issues that keep you busy, keep you on your toes.
You mentioned that you are a keen learner. So can you suggest books that have helped you learn, helped you grow over time and move forward?
to solve problems and to be a better person. Every guest, they will suggest some books that have inspired them. So that's why I like to share their collective knowledge, collective inspirations with our audience. So that's the reason why I asked you about your source of inspiration. I'm also a keen reader. I've published two books and I'm writing my third.
So that's also a reason why I always like to share knowledge. I also like to learn from each other. Like you said, you like to learn from other people's stories. The issues you mentioned, mental health, aging population, I can't resonate with you more about aging, isolation. I'm also only a child myself.
Like you said, retired people, older people, they either stay with their spouse or live alone or live with a helper. Mental health, not only for youth, but basically for all ages. Women, 50% of the world population, yet not well-represented, under-empowered. So next time when you come back, tell us more about what you learned from
stories of people around you from your stakeholders, older members of the communities, but also members of the youth, as well as the women. Despite all these systematic issues, at the same time, lots of opportunities for us to drive change. Tell us more about those changes that you have over time pursued and how you are still in the fight for more changes for your communities.
Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Shen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist community for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Speaking of change, I've made my fair share, 18 to be exact. One major moment was back in 2013 when I was 40 years old.
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