Vince Chan
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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I turned down a promising government job to take a leap of faith. I published my first book and joined Chicago Booth for my second MBA. That's where I met Pei Ling. our class had a meaningful mix of personalities. Pei Ling was among the youngest in our class. I was one of the most experienced.
But by then, I already have over 15 years of work experiences in the business world and a seasoned MBA graduate from Yale. Yet, we all came together to be part of something special and monumental. We are the legacy class graduating in Singapore in the history of Chicago Booth, which was prepared to move its campus to Hong Kong.
Pei Ling and I were part of a six-person committee organizing all sorts of special activities and graduation events. We spent time inside and outside the classroom in Singapore as well as in Chicago. Over the last 10 years, as a classmate, as an alum, as a friend, I've observed her growth. In my eyes, Pei Ling is someone who embodies the core essence of change.
All the things I've mentioned earlier. Her story is a powerful reminder of what it means to own the change, to face the pain, and to emerge more resilient on the other side. In this episode, Pei Ling is going to share her incredible journey from psychology to politics. Why did she give up on pursuing clinical psychology?
The year 2011 was a life-changing year for her, but in her own words, it was also the darkest period in her life. Facing in-person and social media attacks, dealing with biases relating to our age and gender. More importantly, how did she navigate through those challenges, make peace with them, and take control of her life post-election? Becoming the chief change officer of her own story?
Let's dive in and find out.
Before you got into politics, you were in psychology. Why did you give up on that?
So you got into business consulting. Sounds like a good first job in your life. Yes. But then, what happened when you decided to get into politics?
Would you say the move into politics was a big move for you? And you were a student in psychology. So let me flip the table to ask you about your own psychology. How did you feel about this change?
You're always on call.
You touched upon a bit about great election and after you being the youngest, also being a woman. So when you look back about your experience, how did you try to make peace with them, but at the same time, overcome these issues in order to do your job, also to take good care of your own mental health?
In today's world, if you look at ageism at workplace, many media focus on so-called the older end of the population spectrum. Especially when you talk about like tech company innovation, over 40 or 50. According to a lot of media, these more mature, more experienced or so-called older people, they are less tech savvy. Now that is one narrative.
But I always believe that ageism is not limited to the mature people. It's for the so-called younger, which you just share your story with me. I recall in my days when I worked in finance in some of the biggest firms in the world. Men dominated, white guys, I'm being the Asian, I work overseas, I'm 20-something or early 30s.
They may not say it in my face, but I can feel that they have their own, in quotation, reservation. I can relate to when you say it, but then in my situation, I have one less worry, which is social media. Your political career actually started around a time that this social media thing
got more and more popular so promise what you got a lot of comments responses like every day every second so that is the kind of pressure that a regular human cannot just simply ignore it you have to kind of deal with it and judge what is relevant what's not relevant and what is actually noise what is actually a sincere comment i guess you learn the lessons along your way
I can definitely see this scene. Going back to some of the story you just shared, I guess over time, you change people's heart through your actions. Actions speak louder than words. As a public figure, you can, of course, spend your time responding to every single comment. That obviously is a waste of time because a lot of comments may not be relevant.
At the same time, silence is golden or I would say silence is equivalent to absence of noise. So if there's so much noise, you just learn to recognize what is noise, what is helpful to you and how you respond and how you respond sometimes with words, sometimes through actions. Time would give you the benefit of doubt. Eventually you grow and people see it.
That's the message you try to send to the world through the growth of your career.
Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, Don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Imagine this, you are in Paris, the city of lights, where you were born and raised.
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