Vincent Cunningham

And the tragic plane crash in Washington, the president also suggested, might well be the result of, yes, DEI. To understand what's happening here and why, I sat down the other day with Jelani Cobb. Jelani Cobb is a longtime staff writer at The New Yorker, and he's a historian and the dean of Columbia University's journalism school.

And the tragic plane crash in Washington, the president also suggested, might well be the result of, yes, DEI. To understand what's happening here and why, I sat down the other day with Jelani Cobb. Jelani Cobb is a longtime staff writer at The New Yorker, and he's a historian and the dean of Columbia University's journalism school.

And the tragic plane crash in Washington, the president also suggested, might well be the result of, yes, DEI. To understand what's happening here and why, I sat down the other day with Jelani Cobb. Jelani Cobb is a longtime staff writer at The New Yorker, and he's a historian and the dean of Columbia University's journalism school.

Jelani, barely two or three weeks in office, Donald Trump has gone after academia, journalism, and diversity. So you're a dean, you're a journalist, and guess what? So how are you holding up?

Jelani, barely two or three weeks in office, Donald Trump has gone after academia, journalism, and diversity. So you're a dean, you're a journalist, and guess what? So how are you holding up?

Jelani, barely two or three weeks in office, Donald Trump has gone after academia, journalism, and diversity. So you're a dean, you're a journalist, and guess what? So how are you holding up?

Let's break this down then. What are the fears that you're sensing, for example, in academia where you're spending most of your days? You're at Columbia University.

Let's break this down then. What are the fears that you're sensing, for example, in academia where you're spending most of your days? You're at Columbia University.

Let's break this down then. What are the fears that you're sensing, for example, in academia where you're spending most of your days? You're at Columbia University.

Are those reasonable concerns, Jelani, since the people that are making the tenure decisions are senior faculty and deans?

Are those reasonable concerns, Jelani, since the people that are making the tenure decisions are senior faculty and deans?

Are those reasonable concerns, Jelani, since the people that are making the tenure decisions are senior faculty and deans?

What executive orders that have been issued so far related to DEI concern you most?

What executive orders that have been issued so far related to DEI concern you most?

What executive orders that have been issued so far related to DEI concern you most?

Well, Jelani, what is DEI at its best, in your view? And are there abuses of it, and how would you describe them?

Well, Jelani, what is DEI at its best, in your view? And are there abuses of it, and how would you describe them?

Well, Jelani, what is DEI at its best, in your view? And are there abuses of it, and how would you describe them?

And what's so terrible about that?

And what's so terrible about that?