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Vivian Wang

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
186 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

But I think when we think about safety testing in the West, right, it's making sure that the chatbot is not feeding its users answers that might push them to self-harm or, you know, feeding hate speech.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

In China, there is that element, but there is also the element of making sure that it doesn't provide answers about politically sensitive questions like the June 4th massacre in Tiananmen Square or about China's top leaders that the government might not want Chinese people asking.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

Yeah, and this is a tension that exists in China's entire economic development, where the government knows that to allow its economy to flourish, it needs openness, it needs interaction with the rest of the world.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

But of course, it also wants that interaction to happen on its own terms and within its own control.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

So that tension is just even more pronounced when it comes to AI.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

Hmm.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And so they are trying to maintain that balance, trying to figure out how that works.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And then in early 2025, along comes DeepSeek.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

So DeepSeek was a chatbot created by a Chinese startup that really no one had heard of before last year.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And it performed basically just as well as leading models in the United States.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

DeepSeek says that their AI model only cost $5.6 million.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

But according to the company's founders, it had been trained for so much cheaper.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

It was open source.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And to have the Chinese actually open sourcing it, meaning that that is going to be what goes around the world.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And it was this wake-up call and this sign to everybody around the world that Chinese AI could compete with Silicon Valley.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And for all of China and the Chinese government in particular, this is also a moment of huge national pride.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

Soon after DeepSeek's release, Xi Jinping actually called a meeting of a bunch of business leaders, including the founder of DeepSeek, who's just a guy in his 30s, again, who most people have never heard of before this point.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And Xi tells the entrepreneurs there, go out and show your talents and serve the country.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And this is seen as a really important signal that the government recognized that it needed to give companies a little bit more space if it really wanted them to be on the cutting edge.

The Daily
Is China Winning the A.I. Race?

And so I think what it's essentially trying to do here is have its cake and eat it too.