Walter Isaacson

And then he snaps out of it.

As you know that too, the huge snap out where suddenly he's showing you a Monty Python skit on his phone and he's joking about things.

So I think coming out of the childhood, there were just many facets, maybe even many personalities, the engineering mode, the silly mode, the charismatic mode, the visionary mode, but also the demon and dark mode.

That was Tallulah, his second wife.

And she's great.

She's an English actress.

They've been married twice, actually.

And Tallulah said that's just him from his childhood.

He's a drama addict.

Kimball says that as well.

And I asked why.

And Tallulah said...

You know, for him, love and family are kind of associated with those psychological torments.

And in many ways, he'll channel.

I mean, Tallulah would be with him in 2008 when the company was going bankrupt, whatever it may have been, or later.

And he would be so stressed, he would vomit.

And then he would channel things that his father had said, use phrases his father had said to him.

And so she told me, deep inside the man is this man-child still standing in front of his father.

I think it's true, but in many different ways.

I'll say something personal, which is I was blessed, and perhaps it's a bit of a downside too, with the fact that I had the greatest father you could ever imagine and mother.