Walter Kirn

Well, if I don't have any thoughts on tariffs, that means I'm the only person in America who doesn't because we had more experts grow up overnight on tariffs than almost any other issue in my lifetime. So you were humble enough to say, I don't understand what this has all been about since the beginning. I sort of understand it. My job is to educate myself on these things. And I'll say this.

Well, if I don't have any thoughts on tariffs, that means I'm the only person in America who doesn't because we had more experts grow up overnight on tariffs than almost any other issue in my lifetime. So you were humble enough to say, I don't understand what this has all been about since the beginning. I sort of understand it. My job is to educate myself on these things. And I'll say this.

Have you ever negotiated anything? Of course you have, Megan. You've negotiated salaries. You've negotiated contracts, book contracts. Even I have done that. And at the beginning of negotiations, a lot of things are said that cause people to go, oh, no, it's going to break down. This is going to destroy everything. I won't get a book published at all.

Have you ever negotiated anything? Of course you have, Megan. You've negotiated salaries. You've negotiated contracts, book contracts. Even I have done that. And at the beginning of negotiations, a lot of things are said that cause people to go, oh, no, it's going to break down. This is going to destroy everything. I won't get a book published at all.

Have you ever negotiated anything? Of course you have, Megan. You've negotiated salaries. You've negotiated contracts, book contracts. Even I have done that. And at the beginning of negotiations, a lot of things are said that cause people to go, oh, no, it's going to break down. This is going to destroy everything. I won't get a book published at all.

Oh, I won't get in the movie if I play too tough. But negotiations are the beginning of a game and a rough game when it involves China and the U.S. and trillions of dollars. That we're doing it at all is a plus. You know, that we're examining this at all, that we're at the table, that we're playing this rather rough, you know, contest, I think is good. Number two.

Oh, I won't get in the movie if I play too tough. But negotiations are the beginning of a game and a rough game when it involves China and the U.S. and trillions of dollars. That we're doing it at all is a plus. You know, that we're examining this at all, that we're at the table, that we're playing this rather rough, you know, contest, I think is good. Number two.

Oh, I won't get in the movie if I play too tough. But negotiations are the beginning of a game and a rough game when it involves China and the U.S. and trillions of dollars. That we're doing it at all is a plus. You know, that we're examining this at all, that we're at the table, that we're playing this rather rough, you know, contest, I think is good. Number two.

Both Trump and China have one thing in common. They like to save face. It's thought to be a perennial feature of certain Asian cultures that saving face is almost more important than actually winning things. And in Trump's case, being able to brag and thump his chest and beat Donald Trump is also very important.

Both Trump and China have one thing in common. They like to save face. It's thought to be a perennial feature of certain Asian cultures that saving face is almost more important than actually winning things. And in Trump's case, being able to brag and thump his chest and beat Donald Trump is also very important.

Both Trump and China have one thing in common. They like to save face. It's thought to be a perennial feature of certain Asian cultures that saving face is almost more important than actually winning things. And in Trump's case, being able to brag and thump his chest and beat Donald Trump is also very important.

So you've got two very proud and very vain partners in this negotiation who are finding a way for each other to save face, but they both have real objectives. On Trump's part, he wants to bring back manufacturing to some extent. He wants to reduce this trade deficit. And he wants to kind of bring back especially very vital industries, chip making, various defense technologies, and so on.

So you've got two very proud and very vain partners in this negotiation who are finding a way for each other to save face, but they both have real objectives. On Trump's part, he wants to bring back manufacturing to some extent. He wants to reduce this trade deficit. And he wants to kind of bring back especially very vital industries, chip making, various defense technologies, and so on.

So you've got two very proud and very vain partners in this negotiation who are finding a way for each other to save face, but they both have real objectives. On Trump's part, he wants to bring back manufacturing to some extent. He wants to reduce this trade deficit. And he wants to kind of bring back especially very vital industries, chip making, various defense technologies, and so on.

I think we're closer to getting those things than we were before. And you said both sides are waving the white flag. Well, that's logically impossible. You can't have double surrender.

I think we're closer to getting those things than we were before. And you said both sides are waving the white flag. Well, that's logically impossible. You can't have double surrender.

I think we're closer to getting those things than we were before. And you said both sides are waving the white flag. Well, that's logically impossible. You can't have double surrender.

Megan, it was only years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that we found out that Kennedy made a deal with the Russians to withdraw missiles from Turkey. The Cuban Missile Crisis for many years was portrayed as a total American win. We backed down the Soviet Union and they took their missiles out of Cuba. We later found out that we made a huge concession in order to get that.

Megan, it was only years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that we found out that Kennedy made a deal with the Russians to withdraw missiles from Turkey. The Cuban Missile Crisis for many years was portrayed as a total American win. We backed down the Soviet Union and they took their missiles out of Cuba. We later found out that we made a huge concession in order to get that.

Megan, it was only years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that we found out that Kennedy made a deal with the Russians to withdraw missiles from Turkey. The Cuban Missile Crisis for many years was portrayed as a total American win. We backed down the Soviet Union and they took their missiles out of Cuba. We later found out that we made a huge concession in order to get that.