Wayne Hsiung
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It's like he clearly values the piglet because he broke into the farm to save it, but then now he's in court arguing that it actually has no value, less than no value, just so he won't get in trouble?
Yeah, but it's more complicated than that.
So at one level, yes, he's saying that they don't have value, like a dollar value.
But at the same time, he's also saying that they kind of have this different kind of value, like as living beings who can suffer.
And in particular, he's arguing, like, the farm, they don't see the pigs this way.
Like, you can really see this happening in this one moment where Wayne is trying to introduce this clip of one of the piglets.
And, you know, the prosecution objects, like always.
You know, the blood on the piglet's face, that could have come from the mother, and it's not really about her.
But the health of the piglet clearly depends on its relationship with the mom, so I don't know.
Right, you can't actually separate these things, but the judge is doing everything he can to try to do that.
Like, at one point, he watches the video, like, when the jury's not in the room, and he's like, okay, well... Okay, well, look, this is my concern.
So how about how about you just like print out a still shot and then cut out the piglet?
I was just sitting at the defense table with a pair of scissors cutting out eight little paper piglets.
Looked like something from a second grade art class.
And I just thought to myself, this is just stranger than fiction.
And when the jury got these little cutout pictures.