Wayne Swanson

Like we had a whole Serengeti.

I don't know.

Most people don't know that.

Like there was a Serengeti from Canada to Mexico.

Basically, straight down was more animals than outside of the Serengeti.

But when you go read like a book like 1491 and books that talk about what America was like before Europe came in and gave everybody the illnesses, there were bison, antelope, elk, cougars, wolves, grizzly bears, all in Kansas.

All, I mean, we have bison here.

We had cougars here.

We killed them all.

It's the humanity of it.

So.

There's a section in the book that talks about the population of Mexico City in 1491.

And the way we were trained, we were thinking that all of Mesoamerica and America was like hunter gatherers.

No, we travel in 85 because that was already there.

We traveling on these roads because they were already there.

When you go back and read in 1491, they talked about Mexico City might have had a couple million people in it at the time that Columbus came over.

And then that years later, when the next group of conquistadors came through, they were talking about whole cities wiped out from smallpox and just bleach bones everywhere.

So the country was from sea to shining sea full of people.

full of them that were farming, that had cities, that had mines.

Copper from Michigan was all over the world.