Wendy Zuckerman

Plethysmograph.

Plethysmograph.

Probe, yes.

Which you describe in the book as Cinderella's tampon.

The interesting thing about when you study penises and them getting aroused, it's fairly obvious.

When they get erect, they get aroused.

Not always, not always.

You can obviously feel arousal without erection, but it's very, but with, if you have a vagina, it's more complicated, right?

Because sometimes you can feel arousal, but you don't get wet.

So it's not so clearly one for one.

You were responding.

Very interesting.

Does that mean that...

We're not being honest with ourselves about what truly arouses us or more that we genuinely weren't aroused but some physiological reaction happened.

Now, moving on to then, I guess we've been talking about sex the whole time.

I don't know how I'm going to do a segue into more sex.

In your book, you look at the many things that can trigger orgasms, sex, obviously, or good sex, dreams.

But tell us the story of a woman from Taiwan.

Then it can somehow get that response going.

It just triggers that response, yeah.