Wendy Zukerman (Host)

We do know that from history, viruses tend to become less deadly as they go pandemic because it allows them to spread. But it also could be that... This bird flu isn't that deadly for everyone, but it still has a high case fatality rate. This is just where we're at. It's just like this tip of who knows what. And in the meantime, we can't trust that we're getting proper information about...

We do know that from history, viruses tend to become less deadly as they go pandemic because it allows them to spread. But it also could be that... This bird flu isn't that deadly for everyone, but it still has a high case fatality rate. This is just where we're at. It's just like this tip of who knows what. And in the meantime, we can't trust that we're getting proper information about...

What's actually going on.

What's actually going on.

Okay, so then, you know, we mentioned the boy who cried wolf at the start of the show. So...

Okay, so then, you know, we mentioned the boy who cried wolf at the start of the show. So...

Yeah, I forget the ending of that. It's funny that, isn't it?

Yeah, I forget the ending of that. It's funny that, isn't it?

Watch this space. Blythe will be there on the top of the hill looking for the wolves.

Watch this space. Blythe will be there on the top of the hill looking for the wolves.

All right. In the meantime, watch out if you get pink eye.

All right. In the meantime, watch out if you get pink eye.

Also, next week, you know, we did allude to the fact that there have been cuts to science funding, which we have talked about on the show before. But next week, we're going to do an update on what exactly is going on with U.S. science right now.

Also, next week, you know, we did allude to the fact that there have been cuts to science funding, which we have talked about on the show before. But next week, we're going to do an update on what exactly is going on with U.S. science right now.

There's been a lot. There's been a lot happening.

There's been a lot. There's been a lot happening.

This episode was produced by Blythe Terrell with help from me, Wendy Zuckerman, Michelle Dang, Rose Rimler, Meryl Horne, and Aketi Foster-Keys. We're edited by Blythe Terrell, mix and sound design by Bobby Lord and Sam Baer, fact-checking by Erica Akiko Howard, music written by Bumi Hidaka, Peter Leonard, Emma Munger, So Wiley, and Bobby Lord.

This episode was produced by Blythe Terrell with help from me, Wendy Zuckerman, Michelle Dang, Rose Rimler, Meryl Horne, and Aketi Foster-Keys. We're edited by Blythe Terrell, mix and sound design by Bobby Lord and Sam Baer, fact-checking by Erica Akiko Howard, music written by Bumi Hidaka, Peter Leonard, Emma Munger, So Wiley, and Bobby Lord.

Thanks so much to all of the researchers that we spoke to for this episode, including Dr. Louise Moncler, Dr. Ted Alsasser, Dr. John Corsland, Victoria Rosado, and Lindsay Adams. A special thanks to Jeff Delvisio. Science Versus is a Spotify Studios original. Listen to us for free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We are everywhere.

Thanks so much to all of the researchers that we spoke to for this episode, including Dr. Louise Moncler, Dr. Ted Alsasser, Dr. John Corsland, Victoria Rosado, and Lindsay Adams. A special thanks to Jeff Delvisio. Science Versus is a Spotify Studios original. Listen to us for free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We are everywhere.