Wes Streeting

But ultimately... You don't look very loyal, with respect.

Yeah, well, I would also say that I knew, and many of the people around me with my best interests at heart said, if you're the person who resigns in this way...

then, you know, that's going to rebound on you and that will damage you in the eyes of some people.

You weren't thinking about... I knew that was right.

I knew that was good advice.

Well, I think that, you know, as many people say, you know, there's that sort of old Heseltine adage, but I think that...

For me, and I said in terms to the Prime Minister, doing the right thing actually is more important to me than wearing the crown.

So I know it's... You've got to remember, Lewis, I come from the sort of the Labour tribe, the sort of the modernising wing of the Labour Party, the sort of revisionist tradition that is instinctively loyal.

And I knew... I wasn't very loyal to Jeremy Corbyn.

Well, I knew... No, because there was a real moral opposition to Corbyn.

Um...

And I was a loyal foot soldier under various different types of leader in the Labour Party, not Corbyn because of my moral objections.

So it wasn't easy for me to do.

And I knew there'd be lots of people in my own tribe of the Labour Party who'd be saying, oh, no, what have you done that for?

Oh, come on, Wes, it's both.

So I'm not shy about that.

I never have been.

And that was going through your mind when you were making all these calculations.

And I know I'm the underdog in the race as well.

And I know that there will be some people for whom, you know, who have had conversations with people and, you know, who are naturally...