Wesley Huff

Why isn't it growing? Why has it flatlined? What has caused that? I think that should be a conviction to us who are Christians to say, well, maybe we have done a complacent job in our faith actually communicating to people why they should be submitting their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I think a number of things are going on at the same time. I think I agree with you 100%.

Why isn't it growing? Why has it flatlined? What has caused that? I think that should be a conviction to us who are Christians to say, well, maybe we have done a complacent job in our faith actually communicating to people why they should be submitting their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I think a number of things are going on at the same time. I think I agree with you 100%.

People need to be convictionally motivated to be examples, right? I've said in a number of my presentations that there are five gospels. We've talked about the first four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But the fifth is actually the life of the believer in that if you are a Christian, you are claiming your identity in Christ, and that is good news, euangelion. It's the gospel.

People need to be convictionally motivated to be examples, right? I've said in a number of my presentations that there are five gospels. We've talked about the first four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But the fifth is actually the life of the believer in that if you are a Christian, you are claiming your identity in Christ, and that is good news, euangelion. It's the gospel.

And if people are seeing you, they should be encouraged to then go back and read the other four gospels because that's where that source is going to come from. And so I think that we as Christians need to be doing a better job. And so many people are. And I'm optimistic about the church in the West. I'm optimistic about the churches I see that are... doing good things.

And if people are seeing you, they should be encouraged to then go back and read the other four gospels because that's where that source is going to come from. And so I think that we as Christians need to be doing a better job. And so many people are. And I'm optimistic about the church in the West. I'm optimistic about the churches I see that are... doing good things.

Now, that's aside from maybe the mainstream church or like larger denominational churches that are capitulating on certain issues that have been true within historical Christianity. But at the exact same time, Patrick, I think one of the other factors that needs to be incorporated in this conversation is that a worldview can be true even if all of its adherents are terrible examples of it.

Now, that's aside from maybe the mainstream church or like larger denominational churches that are capitulating on certain issues that have been true within historical Christianity. But at the exact same time, Patrick, I think one of the other factors that needs to be incorporated in this conversation is that a worldview can be true even if all of its adherents are terrible examples of it.

in that I don't think they should be terrible examples, but if you brought in a cello into this room and told me to play Beethoven and I start squeaking away on it, Your conclusion shouldn't be, wow, Beethoven, man, that music is terrible. I understand what you're saying.

in that I don't think they should be terrible examples, but if you brought in a cello into this room and told me to play Beethoven and I start squeaking away on it, Your conclusion shouldn't be, wow, Beethoven, man, that music is terrible. I understand what you're saying.

Well, if they're a good church, I think they should follow up with you, they should pursue you. But will anything happen to me? Am I in trouble?

Well, if they're a good church, I think they should follow up with you, they should pursue you. But will anything happen to me? Am I in trouble?

I'm terrible at numbers. I'm a history guy, not a math guy.

I'm terrible at numbers. I'm a history guy, not a math guy.

340 million people. In America. How many do you think have converted? From Christianity. To Muslim. To Islam. Yeah, Islam.

340 million people. In America. How many do you think have converted? From Christianity. To Muslim. To Islam. Yeah, Islam.

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm trying to figure out how to not make a fool out of myself. Two million.

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm trying to figure out how to not make a fool out of myself. Two million.

Yeah, no, I don't think Islam is necessarily a religion where we're seeing converts. I think Islam is a religion where we're seeing importation in that we're seeing a lot of people come from other countries and we're seeing families grow. And so I think that, I mean, when you mentioned the Mormon church, I think the back door of the Mormon church is a lot bigger than the front door.

Yeah, no, I don't think Islam is necessarily a religion where we're seeing converts. I think Islam is a religion where we're seeing importation in that we're seeing a lot of people come from other countries and we're seeing families grow. And so I think that, I mean, when you mentioned the Mormon church, I think the back door of the Mormon church is a lot bigger than the front door.