Wesley Huff

And so Anton put together a Google Doc of some of this stuff. Me, a few other people, and... How I understand it is that Marc just kind of said to Anton right before, What happens if we just reach out to Wes? What happens if we just see if he can come and interact? So he reached out to me the day before.

And so Anton put together a Google Doc of some of this stuff. Me, a few other people, and... How I understand it is that Marc just kind of said to Anton right before, What happens if we just reach out to Wes? What happens if we just see if he can come and interact? So he reached out to me the day before.

I was out at a lunch meeting with a friend and saw the message and couldn't get down to Florida to actually do it in person, but said, I'll jump on a call. And I'm more than willing to do that and interact with Billy and kind of go back and forth with some of the claims that he's made about Christianity.

I was out at a lunch meeting with a friend and saw the message and couldn't get down to Florida to actually do it in person, but said, I'll jump on a call. And I'm more than willing to do that and interact with Billy and kind of go back and forth with some of the claims that he's made about Christianity.

I think people like Billy are very confident in the way that they say things, but that confidence isn't always backed up with the reality of the evidence. And so confidence and competence are not the same thing. And I thought what was surprising to me about my interaction with Billy was that I was expecting some sort of rebuttal.

I think people like Billy are very confident in the way that they say things, but that confidence isn't always backed up with the reality of the evidence. And so confidence and competence are not the same thing. And I thought what was surprising to me about my interaction with Billy was that I was expecting some sort of rebuttal.

And if you watch the interaction I had with him, it's on my YouTube channel. There was no rebuttal. So we get into the topics. He claims that Jesus wasn't crucified. He kind of has these sources that he uses. He brought those up predictably, as I thought he might. And I addressed why those sources don't work for his claim. And then he collapsed.

And if you watch the interaction I had with him, it's on my YouTube channel. There was no rebuttal. So we get into the topics. He claims that Jesus wasn't crucified. He kind of has these sources that he uses. He brought those up predictably, as I thought he might. And I addressed why those sources don't work for his claim. And then he collapsed.

He just said, you know, well, the first claim was that it was from the Sinai Bible, which is Codex Sinaiticus. And I happened to have a facsimile, a photocopy of Codex Sinaiticus on my shelf. And so I simply pulled it off my shelf and said, well, do you mind telling me where you think it denies the crucifixion or that the crucifixion isn't there? Because this is a fourth century Greek Bible.

He just said, you know, well, the first claim was that it was from the Sinai Bible, which is Codex Sinaiticus. And I happened to have a facsimile, a photocopy of Codex Sinaiticus on my shelf. And so I simply pulled it off my shelf and said, well, do you mind telling me where you think it denies the crucifixion or that the crucifixion isn't there? Because this is a fourth century Greek Bible.

It has the crucifixion. And so he kind of pivoted to saying, well, no, that's, I misspoke. I actually meant the Gospel of Barnabas, which is a known forgery. And so I think the... My surprise was that he didn't try to double down. He just completely capitulated and then tried to move the topics onward.

It has the crucifixion. And so he kind of pivoted to saying, well, no, that's, I misspoke. I actually meant the Gospel of Barnabas, which is a known forgery. And so I think the... My surprise was that he didn't try to double down. He just completely capitulated and then tried to move the topics onward.

Well, we did the podcast and then it was very clear that Billy did not want the podcast to air. So he got in contact with Mark and he said, this thing can't go out. And he had a couple of different reasons, which he verbalized. But the reasons did kind of shift. There was some talk of a debate.

Well, we did the podcast and then it was very clear that Billy did not want the podcast to air. So he got in contact with Mark and he said, this thing can't go out. And he had a couple of different reasons, which he verbalized. But the reasons did kind of shift. There was some talk of a debate.

Well, at first he said, you know, I didn't really understand that this was going to be as of a debate as it turned out to be. And I typically ask a fee. So he says he, you know, asked 50 grand for a debate. That was never... And so it was unfair because this is his kind of standard practice is that it costs $50,000 to debate Billy Carson.

Well, at first he said, you know, I didn't really understand that this was going to be as of a debate as it turned out to be. And I typically ask a fee. So he says he, you know, asked 50 grand for a debate. That was never... And so it was unfair because this is his kind of standard practice is that it costs $50,000 to debate Billy Carson.

And then he brought forward that there was some sort of interaction, formal debate that was being set up with another Christian that this was interfering with. Now, I doubt that that was the case. I've been part of events where debates have taken place. And why this conversation would have truly impinged on a later debate is unclear to me. But that was what he said.

And then he brought forward that there was some sort of interaction, formal debate that was being set up with another Christian that this was interfering with. Now, I doubt that that was the case. I've been part of events where debates have taken place. And why this conversation would have truly impinged on a later debate is unclear to me. But that was what he said.

And so at this point, Mark and Billy are friends. They've known each other for years. They live in the same neighborhood. And so... For the good faith of their friendship, Mark decides to do Billy a solid and hold on to the footage. But Mark contacted me only a couple days later and said, you know, here's the situation, Wes. It's not going to go out. Billy doesn't want me to put it out.

And so at this point, Mark and Billy are friends. They've known each other for years. They live in the same neighborhood. And so... For the good faith of their friendship, Mark decides to do Billy a solid and hold on to the footage. But Mark contacted me only a couple days later and said, you know, here's the situation, Wes. It's not going to go out. Billy doesn't want me to put it out.