Whitney Pennington-Rogers

And I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too, Sonia.

And also, if there are examples you can share of spaces that where you have seen implementing sort of these humane migration policies, similar to what Zeke has suggested or proposed for the United States.

Well, I feel like the big goal with this conversation was to really understand how we can thrive in a world where people are on the move, where it is happening, whether you support the ways it's happening or you don't or support the idea of immigration or don't.

And I guess as we're winding down the conversation, I'd love to hear from both of you just what you feel like is the big thing that we're

not saying or not seeing in the media in the way migration is being portrayed or talked about that you think we're missing in this moment?

What is the thing that we should be talking about that we're not saying enough?

So Sonia, maybe we'll start with you.

Well, I want to thank you both so much for sharing all of your insight and thoughts on this.

I definitely learned a lot during this conversation and have taken in so much about how I think about this topic.

And I hope that everyone watching has also gained something from this.

So thank you.

Thank you both.

Hi, David.

Thank you for being with us.

And first, congratulations on the Nobel Prize.

I know that all of us at TED were really elated to see your work celebrated and recognized in that major way.

it's definitely meaningful that TED could be part of your journey in that really important way and part of this important work.

And we definitely get into all of that.

But before we talk about the Nobel Prize and sort of where things have gone since 2019, when you joined us as a speaker and as an audacious grantee, I think it would be helpful to sort of set the stage with

some background on your work, sort of detailing the science that was recognized here connected to proteins.