Whitney Pennington-Rogers

And so it almost begs the question of then what does humane migration policy look like?

What does it look like for someone to, for nations to implement this in a way that is actually, is not cruel and is thoughtful about what it means for the individual and how it benefits the community?

And how could we usefully do this at scale?

Zeke, what do you think?

And I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too, Sonia.

And also, if there are examples you can share of spaces that where you have seen implementing sort of these humane migration policies, similar to what Zeke has suggested or proposed for the United States.

Well, I feel like the big goal with this conversation was to really understand how we can thrive in a world where people are on the move, where it is happening, whether you support the ways it's happening or you don't or support the idea of immigration or don't.

And I guess as we're winding down the conversation, I'd love to hear from both of you just what you feel like is the big thing that we're

not saying or not seeing in the media in the way migration is being portrayed or talked about that you think we're missing in this moment?

What is the thing that we should be talking about that we're not saying enough?

So Sonia, maybe we'll start with you.

Well, I want to thank you both so much for sharing all of your insight and thoughts on this.

I definitely learned a lot during this conversation and have taken in so much about how I think about this topic.

And I hope that everyone watching has also gained something from this.

So thank you.

Thank you both.

Hi, David.

Thank you for being with us.

And first, congratulations on the Nobel Prize.

I know that all of us at TED were really elated to see your work celebrated and recognized in that major way.