Wil Anspach

I know we're not like the representatives to be talking about any of this stuff, but like As far as I have ever experienced inside of like the hip hop culture of America. It has only recently become taboo to say the F slur. It's not like that was an insult for most of the 2000s.

You know, it's like it did not until like 2015 feel like it fell off the radar for that to be part of like your insult to another person is that they have gay sex with a person. So it's like certainly there is a vested interest in not. publicizing this. Yes. People not knowing that it exists.

This is the story of my mom when she said she was going to build the house on top of the basement that we lived in. And then we just lived in a basement for like eight years.

And this being a secret of your, because you would be looked at differently, especially at this time, but even now, you would be looked at differently for these types of actions.

Real quick on that same point, I just want to say, at any event, right, whether you are, in fact, a prostitute or not, there is a certain amount of hiring of females to be at a party to be overly friendly to the people at the party, right? Yes. One, it's very good to look like... there's a lot of beautiful women here for sure.

But also for the people that come to these things, they want to feel like there's girls that are there that are interested. And this happens all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event all the way up to these parties. So it's not like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of all these things, like it may be,

somewhat innocent, but there's always an element of like hiring women to be morally available in ways at parties, you know?

That's where he calls it. Hey, man, do not portray me as Jesus being crucified on a cross. Although I'm not going to lie. 12-year-old me or whatever it was, I thought that was the banginest video I've ever seen in my life. Like, I remember that coming out, and I remember seeing it. It was on TRL, and I remember my mind being blown. Just like, oh my God, they crucified them? That's so sacrilegious.

So, to be fair, as a Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the 90s, I did kind of think, yeah, holy shit, that was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of this whole thing. And in the 90s, That was sacrilegious as hell. You know, that was some like Marilyn Manson level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.

Must be nice. I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship culture in our country. It's just inevitable all the time, right? It's like we will, no matter who, find some sort of martyr or savior or just God in whatever exists inside celebrity. We're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can go to a courthouse on our day off of work.

It's just so funny, man.

Yeah. The whole situation, there's still a lot of like... What happened exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story gets really convoluted. There's stuff coming out right now about it, you know, that it's been 20 years and we're still just now getting like the pieces that come out about stuff about like, oh, this actually happened or this person was involved. So...

It's definitely a bit of like, you know, lost to time and the whole concept of how unreliable human beings are at like recounting things that have happened to them. Even completely sober with no issues, not at a club at two o'clock in the morning in New York, you know.

And the P Diddy era, I love that.

Right, yeah, this is the Danny DeCain era, right?

It happens, doesn't it? It happens. Yeah. You know, you're going to try and get that cost of production down.

Oh, man, that was huge. If you were a teenager in the 90s, you definitely saw those.

Yep. Pete Diddy was recommending people to you.

I don't remember half the things that happened to me yesterday. Half sober, you know?

Literally, they found baby oil with GHB in it. Yeah. They weren't fucking around up in that place. Horrible. In the wake of all this, I've read a ton of stories of people that have recounted, like, their ditty situation, and so many of them, like,

induced with drugs in the most despicable ways, the unexpected ways that not even drinking ways like the I had a soda ways, you know, like not crossing even a boundary of alcohol, you know, and it's so it's like to see this shit happen to people. It's it's like it's it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like it's it's just like horrible. Yes, it's evil. It is evil.

I'm not a God person, but it's evil. It's like going after people that are just living normal lives and trying to survive.

It's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck?

Brutal, man. It's just so dark, dude.

The power dynamic, as someone who has been in the industry, right, it's like, even people that...

Let me put this in perspective for people for real. I was going into the music industry. I was a 26-year-old male. Six foot tall, 185 pounds, in the pretty decent shape. With combat experience. Because I was an ex-Marine with combat experience who had been shot 28 times. I felt pressure from people at times. I felt pressured to do things that I didn't want to do. at times, you know?

So in perspective of like being just like a naive person trying to get into the music industry, like young, like, like no real harsh life experience.

It is easy to see that you could be asked to do something, be put in positions that you don't want to be in and how far people will make you go just because you're afraid because you're like, actually believe that like, yeah, you have power that I don't understand.

This is the 1970s equivalent of the roadie who picks the girls out of the concert, you know, that look like they're down.

Right. And it shows even when he was busted in Florida, I believe it was like he had a drug mule with him at the time. It was like he was always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation.

Oh, really? Did that happen? Yeah, yeah. Every time you said Combs with an L, I took a sip over the last two episodes. Sorry. So now I'm just trashed, man. I hope you've enjoyed this behind-the-bastards drinking game that I have embarked upon.

You give that shit to somebody else. That's their problem. If they get caught, You have accepted you are the one that goes to jail. You say, yes, this is mine, and you go to jail. That's the accepted position of that person, for sure.

The power of influence, the power of like being able to change your life in a moment.

We have a thousand of these stories. We have a thousand of bone thugs in the studio. One woman came in and sang the hook and it was the moment of her. That's the thing that keeps that shit going is the dream.

The reward is so great. Right. The reward of being like at the top of this industry is so great that it is really hard to deny that there is like when you want it that bad. Right. You want it bad enough to put in 80 hours, 100 hours a week doing it. Yeah. Right. You also want it bad enough to like cross some lines every now and then. Yeah. You know, and it's difficult to. Yeah.

Does it matter what happens to me? Right.

Right. Right. Everybody goes through that thing. It's like, OK, I'm fine as long as it just fucks me up.

right like that's really the thing it's just gonna fuck me up like I can take some trauma yeah I can take some trauma that dude everybody that's been in this industry for real knows that it's fine if it's fucking me up now I have had my own moments of like no no no I won't watch you fuck somebody else up you know yeah And I won't watch you do this to another person.

The line is also, I'll let you fuck me up. I'll let you ruin me.

So it's like as long as no one else is seeing that, it's OK.

Cuba Gooding Jr., goddammit! I have been twitching with anticipation talking about Cuba Gooding Jr. Yeah, here's where Cuba comes in. Goddammit, Cuba Gooding Jr. Oh my god, dude. The fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. If you start to know... He gropes the guy, folks. He is the worst cop. Cuba Gooding Jr., if you are watching on YouTube right now or whatever, I'm over here twitching.

I have been twitching, waiting for Cuba Gooding Jr. 's name to come out of your mouth because goddamn Cuba Gooding Jr., the disgusting piece of shit.

Cuba Gooding Jr. Read, spend 10 minutes of your life and read about what Cuba Gooding Jr. did to this guy. And then follow that up with a cursory, I mean, the least, the slightest Google search of anything else he's done. That guy is the biggest piece of shit that has ever existed.

Because he's a monster.

fucking monster this is my Hannibal Buress Bill Cosby moment fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. is a monster and we need to enact laws and federal goddamn statutes against this person he is a horrible human being and what he has done to the world is disgusting take the sanctions off of Cuba the country and put them off onto Cuba the guy immediately you know who he did play though

Juice! Juice! dude it breaks my heart every time I think about that thing because like oh god Cuba Gooding Jr.

This is a story that repeats itself dozens and dozens of times across every single accusation to the point where it starts to be like, oh, my God, we missed Jimmy Savile for like, yeah, 60 years. We didn't see it.

We missed it all. Oh, man.

Yeah, we miss it a lot of times, turns out. We're not as brilliant as we think we are. The rumors abounded. There was tons of it happening. You hear it all the time, but you just... Make like you make the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations.

Yeah, right, right, right. And I said that earlier, too. It's like that old crusty dude that's like, hey, man, don't work with that guy.

You hear the stories for a long time before you're ever asked to do the things, you know? But the problem comes when you don't hear the stories. The problem comes when you are new to town and you're the first person to sit down and somebody's like, hey man.

All you know is the reputation of that person that exists in the tabloids or on the internet. You don't know the story about, hey man, don't go to those parties because it's not good. It's bad shit.

Yeah, Christian Slater's amazing, man.

It's dark, man. Do you talk about the fact that Kim Porter also dies?

There's a lot of where it gets to the point where it's like, God, dude, like, the people around you.

The kid Cuddy explosion, like of his car where he says, yeah, yes, yes, yes.

There's so many things that you're like, oh my God, dude, you are a bad person.

You're a bad person. There's something bad about you. And I just like every person has a, oh, did you ever work with this guy type story? It's like, it's, it's one of those like badges of honor. Almost sometimes we're here in the industry where it's like, oh yeah, man, I spent a week with Diddy, man.

No way to say who did it. Yeah, man. Who knows? I was pissing this one dude off. And sometimes shit happens.

This is how it's being used. There was a reason why they confiscated like a thousand bottles of baby oil. Literally a thousand bottles. It was like, there's a reason why that that happened. And there was absolutely.

Oh, man. And it was the IT brand, you know? That was the shit. It was Boss and Sean John and FUBU, man.

Yeah, absolutely.

It was an art tour. He's an auteur of sex crimes.

I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is hilarious because it's like, yeah, of course you say Diddy is a great guy. He's my friend and also your best friends with Epstein.

There's a lot of people. Maybe, but. Yeah. But to be fair, I know King Combs posted. Christian. Yeah, Christian. Christian Combs. He posted that there has never been any question amongst the children that his dad was involved in.

It's absolutely reasonable to say that people do, in fact, just die sometimes.

Nailed it. Good job, bro.

Didn't say a word about his friend Weinstein that he'd been fucking looking for a project with for seven years. I mean, honestly, sometimes people are fucking out there doing the, you know, dodgeball equivalent of making it through life. You know, just like, you can't get me. He must have felt like, whew.

Which is crazy because, I mean, Sophia backed me on this. The Danny DeCain stuff, they talked about a lot of shit that he did.

Super adjacent.

It's like never sexual assault, but super adjacent.

The light actually went off, I guess. But, you know, I wasn't in the mood to turn it back on. I noticed it an episode ago.

It's like you understand it's like somebody that will go to the lengths of like fucking with your third toe is like the type of person that will make you- feel the worst about who you are. Yeah, yeah.

devil's advocate this stupid situation because i hate to do it but like yeah i've been on the i've been in reality shows for some reason when you want to like hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in a reality show because all these people want to be musicians like i get hired to do these like stupid reality shows to play myself in a reality show and so i've had these situations where i see the way it actually goes down and it is absolutely people pushing the worst narrative but

In fact, you know what? To be fair, this is behind the bastards. We should do this on air because like, you know, it's like what else do you do when you get a Grammy?

Here's the thing that I think that is really important to understand about it is that some people, their worst is not that bad. You know, like in comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these like like like, oh, they're trying to ham it up for TV and they're not really good at being like mean people. Right.

You can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible about themselves, you know, like to really like be a shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing that you see in this where it's like, man, to like attack your toes, like the way your toes look to attack like these like arbitrary things.

They know that that's something that cuts deep on a person that makes them second guess themselves like deep inside themselves, you know?

It's damn near 50-50 on the ratio on this. It's like it's pretty even. He seems to be an equal opportunity sexual assaulter.

I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy, I was about to have a kid at the time. I had a bad month where my car, the transmission died. It's just basically my point is I had like maybe like five hundred dollars in my account. I still spent two hundred dollars on a bottle of Don Julio. priorities are important in life. So that I could take a shot out of my Grammy. That's right, folks.

And to be very fair, it would be irresponsible to not mention the amount of people that will jump on a situation. Because they are themselves shitty people that will like jump on something. Oh, this happened to me because they see the wave and it will give them a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck. But without a doubt, there is actual allegations that exist inside of this that are.

Seven parter.

There is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use their vulnerability with people. their ability to access the vulnerability of people. That makes you feel like, oh, it's a woman. I don't have to worry about what the... There was always one of those. There was always one of those every single time.

Very recently, there's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know, stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use their phone time. And like, to intimidate witnesses specifically. Like he's already in jail trying to run shit from what they say. So it's like, it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm.

He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game from inside prison. Yep. And that's the episode, everybody. Well, you know, I feel really good about money. Time to go party.

I just want to make a lot of money so I can do anything I want. I don't know, man. I'm with you. I think we just, we build an empire, take it to the FDA.

Because that's the only reason to get one of these things.

Yeah. That's the dream, Will. Because they say you only die when the last person that remembers your name dies, you know?

Oh, my God. Do you know what's funny to me, man? Every time I post on TikTok, people will be like, man, you would really like this Behind the Bastards podcast. Really? And I always, every time I'm like. I puked with him. Do I ever.

It was beautiful. What kind of person gets this to brag to their friends?

I appreciate the shit out of you, man. Thank you so much. Appreciate you too, Will. Let me hang out and get very drunk. Get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made me feel icky.

This is basically when Elon smoked a blunt on Joe Rogan.

I'm not going to lie. Although we would both be racist and one of us have some sex pest crimes behind us.

Yeah. Eating like 600 like worms or silkworms. Specifically silkworms.

You have to eat silkworms for your colon health. You know, it's like everybody knows that.

What year is that?

Okay, so do you know what Grammys those were that he won?

Yeah. This is starting to happen in the era of the Internet. Right. It's like this is 98. This is like the beginning of the Internet where like being seen with all these different like cool hit people that are like big because the white parties, you see the pictures of them. It's everybody's and all of entertainment.

The white part is like legit. It's like a pair of Air Ones, dude. They look good the first time you wear them. And that is white, dude. White is the first time you wear it. It is.

The most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing. Now, I would say, what, like 9.30, 10 p.m., that white starts getting kind of grody, you know?

Yes, absolutely.

The only poor people at these parties were the people catering it. Yeah.

I wish that we could just really see... God, reach. If there was a guilt aura around every person that existed in this picture, like green to red in a scale of colors, and the redder you are, the guiltier you are as a human being. Yeah.

You are just as likely to be completely innocent. Well, and here's the thing. As you are to be complicit in all the bullshit he did.

It definitely should be mentioned that these are two different events.

There is legitimacy into the rich white community, like the Hamptons and all that bullshit. But also, you know, like they're.

Get your freak on.

I shouldn't laugh. They're dark.

Yes. In almost every single one of these stories, there is a victim. There is very little willing participants of these things. Like, even the people who are willing participants might be coerced willing participants. It's very murky.

More like into the darkness, buddy.

with a lot of the stuff that goes on a lot of power lines you can say yeah yeah there and again this is definitely the place where we start talking about where blurred lines the i did it and people are also just doing lines yeah yes yeah definitely he wasn't explicitly making me do this but i knew that i could not say no type right and that is very very strong in the ditty story for

I mean, we're into now. The beginning of the Justin Bieber territory, which is like very much the Usher situation between Puffy and Usher and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber. And there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like, what, like 12 years old or something like that.

There's like some weird activity that happened that at the time we saw it happen and we were like... Okay. You know, like, but like everybody now is definitely able to look at those situations and be like, that's actually, yeah, no, that's weird. You know, but the nineties, Hey, let's be fair.

You know, we're talking about Bieber.

In fact, some would say that was the best part of the party. You know?

Although maybe. Sometimes. You know, but the point is, here's the thing. It's like those white parties, those were press events. You don't have press at sex crime parties. Right. Unless they're committing sex crimes.

Yeah. Unless, you know, that's part of the blackmail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, not that the two Venn diagram circles didn't interconnect. Yeah. Without it, you know, it's like you don't invite the press to the parties where you're going to do the bad shit.