Wilfred Genee

No, of course we had one who couldn't even start.

And then you have Boekholt, of whom you also think, how is that going with media training?

Because he still has to get out of those starting blocks.

And then you have this, and then I think, yes guys, yes.

But you have to train that, or at least say in advance, hey listen, you will get opposition here.

But now you're sitting here anyway.

Now you're sitting here anyway, says Wiert.

Now I'm curious.

How is it possible that someone, apparently without any dossier knowledge, just out of power,

will be launched on a ministerial post that is so important that Rob Jetten has promised that 10 cities will be built that will not come at all.

We are talking about minus one, because Moerdijk is already ending.

But how does that work in your head?

I mean, I can report ... I expected, especially from a party like D66, which also has its mouth full of what is all justifiable and all covered, that there would be a much larger nest there.

Of all the people who would have the potential to do this.

And that you end up here with one big loser.

And with someone who, well, I don't think is going to get the finish line.

Yes, I say... So, that's an agreement.

You don't think she's going to save it?

No, no, no.

This is really... Yes, this is such an important dossier.