Wilk Wilkinson
Appearances
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And there were grievance grifters out there around every corner using that. So using your own mind, your own strength within your mind to...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
to stay away from that fear, outrage, and grievance model, or at least recognize it and steer yourself more towards what you're grateful for, the fact that I'm not a victim, I will not be a victim, and I'm going to live the life that I want to live based on what I know is real and what I know is in my backyard, and I'm going to work on that and not pretend like everything that's happening
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
in Washington, D.C. or in some faraway place is affecting me personally at my kitchen table. That is, for me... Keep going. Yeah, that is for me one of the biggest things. We, like I said, in this age of social media, Drew, and in the things that we see online, far too many people have started to bring in those things. You know, I'm a Midwestern guy, right? I grew up in small town USA.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
In the middle of this country and the vast majority, especially at the beginning of the pandemic, the vast majority of those things we just weren't seeing in my backyard. You know, I had conversations with nurses and doctors and things from outstate Minnesota.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
that had never seen a case of COVID and didn't see one for the first several months that this thing was on mainland, but yet their hospital was closed down and they couldn't see their patients and they're doing online stuff. And it was just, you know, I'm having these conversations with people and I'm like, okay,
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
We have to learn again how to compartmentalize things and realize that not everything we see online and not everything we see in the news is happening in our backyard. And once we learn to compartmentalize that and then emotionally steer ourselves into the right place. we can actually make real progress.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
You know, we've seen far too many people, Drew, who have, you know, just eradicated relationships within their lives because of things that they saw online, you know, whether it be, you know, whether it be relationships with their own parents or their children or their in-laws or people that they've been friends with for their entire lives.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
I've heard the stories, I've had conversations with these people And if somebody could have just gotten to them ahead of time and said, hey, let's have this conversation before you're ready to throw this away. A maternal or paternal relationship that you will never, ever be able to rebuild. Let's find out why this person believes what they believe.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
What is it about their life experience that got them to this point? If we have those conversations preemptively.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Yeah, if we have these conversations preemptively and don't allow things that are outside of our control to control us, control our relationships, and destroy these relationships that we've had for our whole lives, I mean, obviously, I've seen this thing happen. These things, they destroy people's jobs. They destroy people's finances.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
I had a conversation on my podcast with an amazing author and journalist, Bonnie Christian, who had a friend who, you know, because of the whole QAnon thing and the ugliness that was surrounding that and whatever, kind of sold off everything that they had and moved into a camper.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And instead of buying this duplex that could have provided them income in retirement, it's these kind of things, these things that are outside of our control that I see so many people allowing to control themselves, control them now, that it's just one of the ugliest things. And I think we...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
as human beings, need to do whatever we can to stem the tide of that polarity, that toxic polarity that people have allowed to take strong hold on.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
So prescriptively, I would say, you know, it's really going to be through an education platform of sorts. Not that I, you know, I'm really an educator by trade, by any imagination or anyone's imagination, but But the idea that we have so many, like I said, organizations out there that try to capitalize upon people's grievances and their fears and the things that outrage them is we need to have –
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Well, and that's why I'm part of organizations like Braver Angels and the Pro-Human Foundation, showing people that through conversation and real, true, curious listening, you know, through true, curious conversation, we can help people through those things that... that are hurting them, right?
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And the concept of grievance grifter, the concept of grievance grifter, I've had some incredible conversations with this and I've had people that I respect in very great fashion try to push back on me on the whole idea of grievances. But we know that grievances, both real and perceived, people can capitalize on those.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And those people that capitalize on those are really trying to keep people in that grievance or victim mentality. But again, let me give you an example that I always think of and so many of the people that I've spoken with, Drew, talk about. And that's the
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
When we talk about the racial divide and the way that so many people in this country have perpetuated that racial divide is to constantly tell somebody that they have to work twice as hard to get half as much. Now, I'm not saying that that's not the case in certain instances.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
But to continuously tell somebody that, going back to what I was saying about the reticular activating system, if you're constantly telling somebody, as in like books like Stamped by Ibram X. Kendi, if you're constantly telling somebody that there's a racist under every bed and a racist hiding in every closet just waiting to... just waiting to bring you down.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
If that's part of your platform, what you're actually doing is enforcing a person's reticular activating system to seek out those points of affirmation for that to happen. Now, who's going to be happy in a constant mindset that everything around them is out to get them? Like I said, Gratitude is the genesis of happiness.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And if the only thing that your brain can work on is those things that are feeding into your grievances, whether they be real or perceived, if the only thing that your brain is focusing on is that, that's exactly what you're going to see. If you come to an intersection...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
there's a person over here over there and over there and one of those people cuts you off now your brain is going to tell you it's because i i'm i'm it's because of the color of my skin or it's be gonna become uh because of my religion or whatever you know one of the one of my favorite people and i know you know him drew is is dennis prager and and he talks about i believe it was either his father his grandfather somebody cut him off in the car and he's like anti-semite right
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And I love that example because when that is the thing that's on top of your mind all the time, that everything wrong that happens in your life is because of some immutable characteristic, you know, whether because you're a Jew or because of some racial category that somebody's placed you in or racialized you as, now all of a sudden everything that goes wrong is because of that particular thing.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Yeah. Those types of learning patterns are what brings us down as a society. It's what stands in the way of our true shared humanity and true happiness in so many cases.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Number one, Drew, is have curious conversations. We have to get back to a time when we can engage with people that we disagree with and do so in a non-contentious way. So have curious conversations and really listen with the intent to understand before we reply, right? Far too many people nowadays are getting into conversations
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
with the intention to just spew their point of view and not really listen to what the other person is saying. People will be far more inclined to listen to you if they know that you've listened and understood what they have to say. Number two, not every conversation has to be about politics, right?
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
I long for a time when we could have conversations and have cold beers in the driveway with our friends that just did not have to do with politics. Probably half the text messages and emails I get now are, did you see this? Or did you hear this? Or is this on your radar? And I'm like, okay, there is a lot more else. There's a lot more things in this world going on than just politics.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And then true civic engagement. This country is hungry for a civic renewal and to be engaged with people of all stripes. So get involved in organizations like Braver Angels, which is the largest grassroots movement out there working towards civic renewal and And depolarization. And then Pro Human Foundation is another one.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Like I said, you mentioned in your intro, and I greatly appreciate that, that I'm on the board of advisors for the Pro Human Foundation. Pro Human Foundation is another organization that is absolutely incredible and doing incredible work to promote our shared humanity. You know, we all as individuals are very unique and we all as individuals have failed in certain aspects.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
But as long as we can look to each other and have conversations with each other, understanding that we all want the same basic things and we're all human beings. We can do incredible things together. So that's really the big thing for me, Drew, is have conversations and get involved.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Get involved with organizations that are out there trying to build a positive relationship instead of falling victim to all the ugliness in our social media and internet ecosystem.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Still grateful for the time, Drew, and keep on doing what you're doing. I appreciate you a lot. Thank you so much.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
It's a real honor, man. I appreciate being here. Thank you so much. You betcha. So first tell us about Derate the Hate. So Derate the Hate is a podcast I started back in 2020 with the mission statement of bettering the world one attitude at a time.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
It's one of these things where I saw the toxicity in the world just getting out of hand, knew that through personal accountability, through personal mindset, we could start to rebuild our way of doing things. And it's been quite a ride.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
So my background, Drew, is actually in transportation. I was a truck driver for several years and now I manage truck drivers by trade and do this thing, the mindset work, the depolarization work, the conducting of civil conversations work on the side. It's more of a passion project for me to volunteer in this depolarization space and Like I said, try to better the world in which we live.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
So it's definitely been something.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Well, the resistance comes from people who obviously just don't want to have conversations. They don't want to step outside of their silos. People have found themselves, especially in the age of COVID, becoming far more comfortable in their own bubbles, in their own silos. And not wanting to have discussions, especially about contentious issues.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
It's something that we face across the spectrum when it comes to issues, whether it be the class divide or the racial divide or the COVID divide. We've become all too comfortable in the age of social media with attacking those we don't agree with, but not having actual conversations with those we disagree with.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Well, it's really about, Drew, it's really about convincing people of the importance of a conversation. One of the things that I've done is gone out and sought out some of the most diametrically opposed figures in our society today.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
The biggest example, obviously, is Dr. Francis Collins, former head of the NIH, and then my friend Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who is obviously now, as some people will understand, especially some of your viewers and listeners, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is on the short list to become the head of the NIH.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Trying to, you know, bring these people together has become, like I said, one of the biggest projects of my life. And to do that, it's really about stressing the importance of the conversation. Because as my friend Monica Guzman from Braver Angels says, those who are underrepresented in our life will be overrepresented in our minds and our imaginations.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
When people are not having that conversation, Drew, they start to make up things in their mind about who this person is, what this person thinks, what their motivations are. And that's where we get into that ugly place, right? That ignorance is a self-perpetuating cycle. And with that ignorance comes fear. And that fear then develops into hatred. And that hatred eventually can end up in violence.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And that's what we're trying to stem. We want to get away from that ugliness. and promote these conversations. Just because it's a contentious topic does not mean it has to be a contentious conversation. And that's how we stem the tide of fear. That's how we stem the tide of hatred. And that's how we stay away from these ugly, ugly battles. I mean, we've seen, everybody's seen it.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Anybody who's on social media, anybody watches the news, there is a... A concerted effort on so many people's part out there, whether it be those in the media, whether it be those in politics or those outrage entrepreneurs that are just out there trying to keep us divided. Well, they do it for a reason. Number one, it sells soap, right? Division sells soap. It's an old saying, but...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
But I'm just a guy out here, Drew, who's trying to make civility cool again, right? I'm just trying to show people that our conversations, and by starting those conversations, we can get away from a lot of that ugliness.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Well, I was a very toxic person for a very long time. I was a very angry person for a very long time. I had a lot of personal animus from things that happened in my childhood and the things that I had, didn't have, wanted, couldn't get. And I spent a lot of my time miserable.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And then I went on this personal accountability journey and really started to realize that I had the tools within me to get beyond all that anger, all that animus.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Well, personal accountability means I have the ability within my brain, as Stephen Covey said, the ability to choose my response, my personal responsibility. I have the ability to choose my response. So it's not about what happens.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
I would say all of the above, right? I read a lot of books. I mean, it was no standard therapy, no 12-step program, though I've studied the approaches of Al-Anon and Alcoholics Anonymous, Codependence Anonymous, things like that. You know, I've gone through a lot of that stuff and studied a lot of that. And then a spiritual guy, I'm a conservative Christian guy, Drew.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And so, you know, read the Bible and have gone through the Bible. And then books like Seven Habits of Highly Effective People or Man's Search for Meaning or Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. These things were all instrumental in my journey to...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
So that moment of change for me came when I saw the ramping up of toxicity in the social media atmosphere. I'm not somebody who had ever paid attention to politics in my early adult life, but as I started to see things after 9-11 and I started to see the animus between parties and then I saw that ugliness growing.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And then when the onset of social media or the popularity of social media started growing in, you know, the teens, the 20 teens or, you know, and then I started seeing this, this anonymity, the ability to be outraged in an anonymous way and say the most ugly of things to people, I started getting caught up in that. And I started feeding on that anger and that ugliness online.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
But then I also started to realize personally that this was the ugliest thing that I could possibly be getting involved in. And it started to affect my life and my mindset personally. So getting beyond that became a personal goal of mine. I still wanted to kind of show people how wrong they were, you know, people that I disagreed with. And I did it in a lot of very poor ways.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And I realized, I kind of had this epiphany one day, because I was going to start this haters happy hour and start pointing out all... Start pointing out... It would be popular. Well, I thought so. And I was going to start pointing out in a podcast format how, you know, all the different ugly things that people were saying to me. I know you've heard them before or heard things like this before.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
But people telling me, you know, they hope my house burns down or they hope these terrible things happen to my family. And just all of this just ugly, ugly stuff. And I'm like... The direction that I'm going is not the right direction. So I started to do this thing and started feel-good stuff and mindset stuff and started talking about the things that...
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
I was using personally to level out my own anger and to do that. And then being somebody who just believes in the tenets of freedom, I found that the ultimate freedom kind of like, you know, Viktor Frankl talks about is there's only one thing that I really have and that's the ability to control my own mind and how I react to things.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
And that's kind of how I ended up in this depolarization space, Drew. It was one of these things where I was not going to allow all of these things outside of my control to control me and control my emotions.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
That made that my journey.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
There was a brief meeting, and Jay's talked about it, and I know I've talked to Francis about that as well. So I will say that there was a very brief meeting of which I can't discuss the details, but it's one of these things that the world didn't expect to happen.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Sure, I mean, there's a number of things. And I start with a baseline of gratitude and personal accountability, like I said. But when I start talking about gratitude, I talk about gratitude for a very specific reason, because I think gratitude is the genesis of happiness. And when... people start to seek out things that they're grateful for, that becomes ingrained in their mindset every day.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
The reticular activating system will then start to seek out points of affirmation constantly throughout the day, and you'll begin to see many more things that you're grateful for. The other thing is... and this all ties into the personal accountability thing, but trying to stay away from that perpetual victim mentality.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
There are so many forces out there, Drew, that feed on that fog model, the fear, outrage, and grievance. We never saw anything more evident than that fear, outrage, and grievance model, than the time over the last four years, four and a half years, during the COVID pandemic, right? It was constant fear porn. It was constant. We've got to scare everybody. We've got to scare the moms.
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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
We've got to scare the old people. We've got to scare the kids. I mean, it was constant fear porn and trying to keep people scared. And then... By keeping some people scared, we could keep them outraged. And then at that point, then they can play on those grievances. Not to say that there isn't real grievances, but there are real and perceived grievances.