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After COVID Debacle, How Can Public Health Systems Regain Our Trust? w/ Wilk Wilkinson & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 429
Mon, 02 Dec 2024
After the COVID debacle – with its unscientific lockdowns, unreliable vaccines, and ridiculous masking mandates – how can public health systems ever regain our trust? Wilk Wilkinson hosts the ‘Derate The Hate’ podcast, which focuses on civil dialogue across political differences. Wilkinson serves on the Board of Advisors at the Prohuman Foundation and is a volunteer leader with Braver Angels, a grassroots organization dedicated to reducing political polarization. Find his podcast on all major platforms and follow him at https://x.com/WilksOpinion Chef Andrew Gruel appeared as a judge on Food Network’s “Food Truck Face Off”, as a host of FYI’s “Say It to My Face!” and is the founder of American Gravy Restaurant Group. After the COVID-19 pandemic forced many restaurants to shut down, Gruel started a fund in December 2020 to raise money for out-of-work restaurant industry employees, raising over $230,000 in the first three weeks. His latest book “Andrew Gruel’s Family Cookbook” is available soon. Follow Chef Gruel at https://x.com/ChefGruel and learn more at https://chefgruel.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: How did COVID impact public trust in health systems?
Well, welcome, welcome everyone. Chef Rule joins us again today. He's got some interesting insights into RFK and chefs and restaurants and also what's going on in the California, let's see what he calls it, the new payroll tax to cover Sacramento's fiduciary corruption and negligence. I love it.
But first, we're going to speak to Wilk Wilkinson, host of the Derate the Hate podcast, founded his website, which is, I'm going to give it to you right now, which is wilksworld.com, W-I-L-K-S. You can follow him. Oh, I'm sorry. Also, deratethehate.com. Wilk's Opinion on X is where you can follow him as well. Wilk's Opinion.
And he wants to get into, we're going to get into some of the solutions that have, I hope, that have been left over from the massive amount of distrust left behind by the debacle that was COVID. Stay with us. We'll be right with you after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this.
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Chapter 2: What is Derate the Hate and its mission?
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He serves on the board of advisors of the Pro-Human Foundation. He volunteered with Braver Angels. And he is, gosh, I thought he was on a couple other things too. We'll get it from him. Wilk Wilkinson, thank you and welcome to the program.
It's a real honor, man. I appreciate being here. Thank you so much. You betcha. So first tell us about Derate the Hate. So Derate the Hate is a podcast I started back in 2020 with the mission statement of bettering the world one attitude at a time.
It's one of these things where I saw the toxicity in the world just getting out of hand, knew that through personal accountability, through personal mindset, we could start to rebuild our way of doing things. And it's been quite a ride.
And what were you doing before this? Or what do you do for, is there, you know, what's your sort of background?
So my background, Drew, is actually in transportation. I was a truck driver for several years and now I manage truck drivers by trade and do this thing, the mindset work, the depolarization work, the conducting of civil conversations work on the side. It's more of a passion project for me to volunteer in this depolarization space and Like I said, try to better the world in which we live.
So it's definitely been something.
What are you coming up against? How is it going? What is the experience like? What are you worried about? Were you having success? Were you having resistance?
Well, the resistance comes from people who obviously just don't want to have conversations. They don't want to step outside of their silos. People have found themselves, especially in the age of COVID, becoming far more comfortable in their own bubbles, in their own silos. And not wanting to have discussions, especially about contentious issues.
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Chapter 3: What are the solutions to the distrust left by COVID?
I would say all of the above, right? I read a lot of books. I mean, it was no standard therapy, no 12-step program, though I've studied the approaches of Al-Anon and Alcoholics Anonymous, Codependence Anonymous, things like that. You know, I've gone through a lot of that stuff and studied a lot of that. And then a spiritual guy, I'm a conservative Christian guy, Drew.
And so, you know, read the Bible and have gone through the Bible. And then books like Seven Habits of Highly Effective People or Man's Search for Meaning or Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. These things were all instrumental in my journey to...
And what started you? Because that's another kind of interesting thing to me. When people make a turn, usually there's a moment, a bottom or a something. Where did the turn come? I see what you're doing. I get it now. But where did that moment of change occur?
So that moment of change for me came when I saw the ramping up of toxicity in the social media atmosphere. I'm not somebody who had ever paid attention to politics in my early adult life, but as I started to see things after 9-11 and I started to see the animus between parties and then I saw that ugliness growing.
And then when the onset of social media or the popularity of social media started growing in, you know, the teens, the 20 teens or, you know, and then I started seeing this, this anonymity, the ability to be outraged in an anonymous way and say the most ugly of things to people, I started getting caught up in that. And I started feeding on that anger and that ugliness online.
But then I also started to realize personally that this was the ugliest thing that I could possibly be getting involved in. And it started to affect my life and my mindset personally. So getting beyond that became a personal goal of mine. I still wanted to kind of show people how wrong they were, you know, people that I disagreed with. And I did it in a lot of very poor ways.
And I realized, I kind of had this epiphany one day, because I was going to start this haters happy hour and start pointing out all... Start pointing out... It would be popular. Well, I thought so. And I was going to start pointing out in a podcast format how, you know, all the different ugly things that people were saying to me. I know you've heard them before or heard things like this before.
But people telling me, you know, they hope my house burns down or they hope these terrible things happen to my family. And just all of this just ugly, ugly stuff. And I'm like... The direction that I'm going is not the right direction. So I started to do this thing and started feel-good stuff and mindset stuff and started talking about the things that...
I was using personally to level out my own anger and to do that. And then being somebody who just believes in the tenets of freedom, I found that the ultimate freedom kind of like, you know, Viktor Frankl talks about is there's only one thing that I really have and that's the ability to control my own mind and how I react to things.
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Chapter 4: How can we engage in civil conversations?
Yeah, if we have these conversations preemptively and don't allow things that are outside of our control to control us, control our relationships, and destroy these relationships that we've had for our whole lives, I mean, obviously, I've seen this thing happen. These things, they destroy people's jobs. They destroy people's finances.
I had a conversation on my podcast with an amazing author and journalist, Bonnie Christian, who had a friend who, you know, because of the whole QAnon thing and the ugliness that was surrounding that and whatever, kind of sold off everything that they had and moved into a camper.
And instead of buying this duplex that could have provided them income in retirement, it's these kind of things, these things that are outside of our control that I see so many people allowing to control themselves, control them now, that it's just one of the ugliest things. And I think we...
as human beings, need to do whatever we can to stem the tide of that polarity, that toxic polarity that people have allowed to take strong hold on.
I mean, there's no doubt about it. I love the fog frame. I love the idea of a grievance grifter. It's the first time I've heard that term. So how do we get people out of a perpetual victim position? Because they get so much reinforcement for that. And as you said, social media is sort of the place that you then act out once you've been victimized. Is it time for a new great awakening?
I mean, what do we do? I'm thinking prescriptively. I mean, certainly what you have is what people need, but how do we get them on the boat?
So prescriptively, I would say, you know, it's really going to be through an education platform of sorts. Not that I, you know, I'm really an educator by trade, by any imagination or anyone's imagination, but But the idea that we have so many, like I said, organizations out there that try to capitalize upon people's grievances and their fears and the things that outrage them is we need to have –
Well, and that's why I'm part of organizations like Braver Angels and the Pro-Human Foundation, showing people that through conversation and real, true, curious listening, you know, through true, curious conversation, we can help people through those things that... that are hurting them, right?
And the concept of grievance grifter, the concept of grievance grifter, I've had some incredible conversations with this and I've had people that I respect in very great fashion try to push back on me on the whole idea of grievances. But we know that grievances, both real and perceived, people can capitalize on those.
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Chapter 5: What role does personal accountability play in societal change?
And once they were doing their job, okay, have an opinion about him. But now you have an opinion? The fact that you're even aware- of who was appointed to the Surgeon General and that you then have an opinion about it, you should check yourself. You need to check yourself. That's all I'm saying. All right. We're going to get Chef Andrew Grohl in here in just a second. We'll take a little break.
Be right back.
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Chapter 6: How can gratitude lead to happiness?
So, hey, Raisky, did you hear me say you have no right to know who the Surgeon General appointment is? Did I say anything about your rights and privileges? What I said was, check yourself if you have a strong opinion about it and why this appointment, suddenly, you know everything there is to know about that position and who should fill it and somebody whom you don't know who is filling it.
You have an opinion about her as well. By the way, let's keep in mind, one of the things we all emphasize here, we like it when people change their opinions and when they apologize. That's a good thing. That's somebody we want on our team. What in the world made you jump through to I have no right to know? You know I'm a free speech absolutist, and I remain right there.
So you have the right to know and say anything and everything. And finally, let me quote from the first inaugural, because these words are so amazing. Like I said, you can read the second inaugural and the Gettysburg Address on either side of the Lincoln Memorial.
But the first inaugural is a long defense of why he believes, Abraham Lincoln, believes that there's no such thing as a dissolution of the union. You can't do that. It's a contract among equals. And you can't just step out of a contract because you're not happy anymore. You can't do that. So he never acknowledged the Confederacy. He always called it the Confederacy so-called.
And he said the states were out of their natural alignment with the Union. That's how he thought about these things. And so at the end of a long argument, his first inaugural, which, by the way, I... Yeah, I think he read it. Sometimes some of this stuff, like the first State of the Union and stuff, somebody reads on his behalf, but he read this one. I'm loathe to close.
We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. This is very impertinent to what Wilk Wilkinson was talking about. Even to you, Raisky. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic cords of memory stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone.
all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the union when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature. And if you're not touched by that, I don't know what to say. So, Caleb, is Andrew there yet? Did I jump ahead on that, or is he with us?
I'll bring him in.
Andrew Gruhl. Let me give a little intro. I think everyone knows Andrew. But hold on.
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Chapter 7: What are practical steps to reduce division in society?
Chapter 8: How do we combat grievance mentality in today’s culture?
You're learning how to cook.
Yeah, I feel like I could do it. And if I could do it, anybody could do it.
I think you could do that grilled cheese sandwich.
I could do that grilled cheese sandwich. But go ahead, Andrew. Tell us more about the stream.
Oh, no, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, you know, we just took some basics, right? Especially for this Thanksgiving episode. We wanted to make it approachable, but also crave-worthy. Make it look easy. Lauren is the perfect partner in crime here. And we've got the kids in the final piece of this episode putting together some recipes from our family cookbook. Really, at the end of the day,
Cooking is easy. I always say cooking is like playing basketball and the hoop is the size of the court. The fun is in the preparation. And even if you screw up a little bit with the execution, so what? It's better than half the stuff you're getting off the shelves. Bring the family together, friends, anybody, and just go have it.
And look, I make myself very available, almost too available, Lauren would say. So if you ever have any questions, all you got to do is message me, tag me, hit me up. I'm like just a walking cookbook ready to respond.
Well, and it's more than that. It's your guys' enthusiasm for the whole experience. I watched, and I start watching and I can't stop. And so the one, you had a roast or a prime rib sort of roast. I didn't want to see the beginning of it. I jumped in about halfway and then I couldn't stop. And both, you're like, oh my God. I'm like, I want, I frankly drove to Huntington Beach to see what that was.
Oh, you brought us some beef last time you were here and we went nuts.
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