Will Brown

Yeah, right.

Sounds very corporate.

It wasn't very fun.

Yeah, it wasn't enjoyable.

Which I remember that race vividly because that was when the guard fell off.

And yeah, that was a... Man, that made a noise.

I remember that race like literally like it was yesterday because it was when my cousins first pretty much started racing Super 2 when they got the 888 cars.

And I remember watching that race and you had that race won easily.

Like literally it was gone.

Like there was no one was catching Garth and the guard flew off and it was like four tenths in a straight line.

Just like that.

And it was like the Jaws music was coming in with all the old cheese behind you.

I guess talk about your second part of your career there, I guess, with JC and I guess it was really sort of the car of the future that HRT really sort of- Yeah, struggled with.

Yeah, really struggled.

So why do you think that sort of happened?

There was, I guess, times where you guys had success, but what do you think was the downfall?

Yeah, I was going to say, I remember like the engineering group was pretty consistent back through that period, but obviously there was the change in management over time.

And it's sort of, you look back at, I guess we use 888 for an example, you know, at certain times when they were not falling off the perch, but they were starting to plateau, they'd

RD would always go out and bring in someone else like Shippy or they'd obviously trained up Kauchi and a few others or whatnot.

Whereas HRT always just had that, it was always starry.