Will Ross

He was speaking at an event in Kinshasa where the term genocost is being pushed and this is an attempt to get people to look at the whole conflict in the east of DR Congo in a different way and not to see it in terms of ethnic divisions and tribal tensions but instead a determination often by outsiders to exploit the mineral wealth of of that area.

He was speaking at an event in Kinshasa where the term genocost is being pushed and this is an attempt to get people to look at the whole conflict in the east of DR Congo in a different way and not to see it in terms of ethnic divisions and tribal tensions but instead a determination often by outsiders to exploit the mineral wealth of of that area.

So he's talking about a genocost or the cost of the conflict and the economic cost of all these wars. But yes, he was blaming neighbouring countries. And we know that in the past, Uganda has been heavily involved. And now we know Rwanda is very involved with the M23 rebel group. But he was also talking, as you say, about the international community kind of ignoring what's going on. I

So he's talking about a genocost or the cost of the conflict and the economic cost of all these wars. But yes, he was blaming neighbouring countries. And we know that in the past, Uganda has been heavily involved. And now we know Rwanda is very involved with the M23 rebel group. But he was also talking, as you say, about the international community kind of ignoring what's going on. I

It is a tragedy that since the mid 1990s, these vast areas of eastern Congo have been troubled by endless conflicts and they have involved neighbouring countries.

It is a tragedy that since the mid 1990s, these vast areas of eastern Congo have been troubled by endless conflicts and they have involved neighbouring countries.

Well, he does, and some of the figures he used, perhaps people will question, 10 million lives lost since the mid-1990s. I mean, there have been some extraordinary numbers that have been talked about in the past. The Global Conflict Tracker that looks pretty closely at what's happening in Congo, it talks about 6 million deaths since 1996.

Well, he does, and some of the figures he used, perhaps people will question, 10 million lives lost since the mid-1990s. I mean, there have been some extraordinary numbers that have been talked about in the past. The Global Conflict Tracker that looks pretty closely at what's happening in Congo, it talks about 6 million deaths since 1996.

We've also had the UN in the past, over a decade ago, talking about... 45,000 people dying every month, not because of the bullets flying around, but because of the collapse of the health service. So yes, the numbers are extremely stark. And he does have a point when he says that neighbouring countries are contributing to it.

We've also had the UN in the past, over a decade ago, talking about... 45,000 people dying every month, not because of the bullets flying around, but because of the collapse of the health service. So yes, the numbers are extremely stark. And he does have a point when he says that neighbouring countries are contributing to it.

But those countries, including Rwanda, would say that Congo itself has not played a strong hand in trying to deal with these rebel groups to stop the conflicts. And in fact, Rwanda's accused the Kinshasa government at times of working hand in hand with those Hutu rebels who are against the Kigali government.

But those countries, including Rwanda, would say that Congo itself has not played a strong hand in trying to deal with these rebel groups to stop the conflicts. And in fact, Rwanda's accused the Kinshasa government at times of working hand in hand with those Hutu rebels who are against the Kigali government.

As 238 shackled Venezuelans landed in El Salvador, they were then bundled onto buses and taken to probably the most feared prison in the Americas. The Secot, or Terrorism Confinement Centre, was set up by the Salvadoran president, Nayib Bukele, to house hardened members of the MS-13 and 18th Street gangs.

As 238 shackled Venezuelans landed in El Salvador, they were then bundled onto buses and taken to probably the most feared prison in the Americas. The Secot, or Terrorism Confinement Centre, was set up by the Salvadoran president, Nayib Bukele, to house hardened members of the MS-13 and 18th Street gangs.

The Trump administration accuses the men of belonging to a Venezuelan gang and removed them from US soil without due process, under the 1789 Alien Enemies Act. Some 1,800 kilometres away, Getrudes Pineda is growing increasingly desperate about the well-being of her son, Oscar. Having entered the US illegally, he was working as a carpet layer.

The Trump administration accuses the men of belonging to a Venezuelan gang and removed them from US soil without due process, under the 1789 Alien Enemies Act. Some 1,800 kilometres away, Getrudes Pineda is growing increasingly desperate about the well-being of her son, Oscar. Having entered the US illegally, he was working as a carpet layer.

She'd heard he'd been picked up by US immigration agents and was in Texas en route back to Venezuela. Her other son, living in Colombia, soon called her to say he'd seen Oscar's name on a list of those sent to El Salvador. They're not from El Salvador, they're Venezuelans, said Gertrudis. If they've committed a crime, let them face the charges in Venezuela, she added.

She'd heard he'd been picked up by US immigration agents and was in Texas en route back to Venezuela. Her other son, living in Colombia, soon called her to say he'd seen Oscar's name on a list of those sent to El Salvador. They're not from El Salvador, they're Venezuelans, said Gertrudis. If they've committed a crime, let them face the charges in Venezuela, she added.

Outside the Salvadoran Supreme Court, lawyer Jaime Ortega addressed the press after lodging a petition of habeas corpus to try to secure the men's immediate release, and argues that there are some major legal irregularities in the transfer of the men to El Salvador.

Outside the Salvadoran Supreme Court, lawyer Jaime Ortega addressed the press after lodging a petition of habeas corpus to try to secure the men's immediate release, and argues that there are some major legal irregularities in the transfer of the men to El Salvador.