Will Storr

And so when he's doing a show, even when he's confronted by the most ignorant racists,

And he can have conversations with them.

And then, you know, they're like, well, you're not like the others.

Yeah.

And CNN did that for a while.

You know, they had that other show.

Was it Radical with that one gentleman who, Reza Aslan, is that his name?

That was another good show.

They did some interesting stuff.

They did, like, quite a few interesting shows where they were just shows.

It wasn't what it is now, which is this, like, bizarre version of news TikTok just grabbing you with everything that's going to terrify you every day.

And there's so much to terrify you about today.

You know?

Yeah, it's very unfortunate.

So, ladies and gentlemen, we started this podcast after a long conversation about Anthony Bourdain, but I felt like we were already rolling, so let's just roll into it.

I really enjoyed you on trigonometry, and that's why I wanted to talk to you here, because it's just, I think your book is The Status Game.

That's right, yeah.

And I think what's really interesting about what you're talking about

mechanisms that make people understand like behavior patterns in a way instead of just accepting them, you know, because I think a lot of people fall into accepting behavior patterns.

But what you're what you're showing is like these status games that human beings play.