Will

Yeah, Andrew.

Wow.

So how old were you when you were doing this?

And you've got to get it from somewhere.

Yeah, definitely.

And all this was obviously brought in for cost savings, but it ends up costing more with people in the end because obviously people like yourself and I guess people like my engineer, George, people with these experience, they end up costing, right?

If you could put three reasons to it, what would you think?

Looking back hindsight.

It was actually a bit of a trick question.

I'll tell you why.

Because every conversation I've had with you, it's always been an after party.

You're probably one of the most self-critical people I've met.

And I reckon that's why you've had so much success in your career.

So there's not too many people.

Well, there is actually a lot of people that... There's a lot of people, at least in our sport, you go and ask them how their race has gone or how something's gone, and it's always someone else's fault or something else's fault.

But you tend to find that the better engineers or the better drivers always...

you know, are more self-critical than most.

So I'm actually going to take my hat off to you because I remember a time not too long ago where you were quite self-critical, but we'll get to that later.

a next level driver to work with so i was actually the next question was moving to obviously moving to triple eight did that lift you a lot personally to be more self-critical or to um i guess focus on the one percent is more like working with him because obviously he betrays i'm not sharing for a long time he betrays himself actually similar to him actually in a way

portrays himself as maybe the dumbest guy in the room but you actually get to work with him or do some stuff with him i've done plenty of sim racing with him and he breaks everything down to such small details and yeah i always found that quite interesting about him was the way he's seen publicly or portrays himself as a lot different and you see it now the nascar stuff he says right for breaking's worth no time he's trying to keep the advantage for as long as possible he's always deflecting he's quite smart like that