William Costello

So for women, I think that's very important, is that this boss bitch energy, paper chasing throughout your 20s is running up against a ticking clock that people are kind of reluctant to talk about because it's seen as quite sexist to highlight that women have a narrow window to get their biological kind of needs met in terms of starting a family.

That is a more time-squeezed mission for women.

But I really liked your idea of the aspirational viewpoint for men, is that, yes, the women have had the brakes taken off them in education and the workplace, and they're killing it in a brain-based economy rather than a brawn-based economy.

And yes, that makes for fewer eligible men.

And yes, that sucks.

That makes it harder for you.

And in the 1950s, you would have found it easy to get a job and easy to get a wife.

But so what?

That's where you are.

You take the Jordan Peterson kind of maxim of,

pick yourself up by your bootstraps, but go, you kind of have to, you don't really have any other option.

You can complain about the world and say, I wish it was different, but you're not going to slow women down now.

That kind of train has run away and nor should we, you know, there's probably so much of an economic gain out of women's liberation into the workplace that that's not going to go back.

And, and also just from a point of view of the amount of women that now have financial freedom to kind of not be dependent on perhaps abusive men.

That's an under acknowledged net good of women's liberation and women I speak to talk to me about that they say, Oh, it's a great relief to no longer have, you know, to be dependent.

And so that's one positive that's not often talked about.

But yeah, so I think men need to be aspirational.

Yes, we need to have a cultural conversation about what we can do to support them kind of in a feminized education system, so to speak.

But yeah, aspirational is the way to go for men.

And in terms of the conversation towards women, I would say Mother Costello had some good advice on think about your timing of all these things.