William Happer

And the point of the drama was there was this resort town in Norway where you would come and you would –

be treated at the spa.

You drink the water and go home healthy.

Well, people would come and drink the water and they would die of typhoid.

A local doctor said, you know, we're killing people.

We're not curing them.

And he was declared an enemy of the people because he was cutting off the source of funding for the city.

So it's that syndrome.

It's an ancient human problem.

So it's always been there.

And it's there in spades with climate.

You get this huge overhead, you know, 50%, 60% of your grant goes to the administration and not to your research.

Yeah, they can do what they like with the overhead.

Well, the main thing it's bad for is for overhead income to the university.

Exactly.

From an administrator's point of view.

Joe, let me add to what Dick has said, which I agree with.

But you asked about the sun, and as Dick says, that is a controversial issue.

The establishment narrative is that the sun has very little to do with it.

It's all CO2.