William

Yeah.

Yeah, like I said, I don't think he's preached a message on debt or used that.

Yeah, like I said, I don't think he's preached a message on debt or used that.

Yeah, like I said, I don't think he's preached a message on debt or used that.

passage i think you know he just you know he looked and you know everybody you know just like everybody else you know looks at the world we live in and you know everybody uses debt you know they think they leverage debt okay let me throw another one at you be not conformed you know that one to the pattern of this world be renewed by the does that not ring a bell for him either that we shouldn't conform to culture and the stupidity of it

passage i think you know he just you know he looked and you know everybody you know just like everybody else you know looks at the world we live in and you know everybody uses debt you know they think they leverage debt okay let me throw another one at you be not conformed you know that one to the pattern of this world be renewed by the does that not ring a bell for him either that we shouldn't conform to culture and the stupidity of it

passage i think you know he just you know he looked and you know everybody you know just like everybody else you know looks at the world we live in and you know everybody uses debt you know they think they leverage debt okay let me throw another one at you be not conformed you know that one to the pattern of this world be renewed by the does that not ring a bell for him either that we shouldn't conform to culture and the stupidity of it

No, I totally get what you're saying.

No, I totally get what you're saying.

No, I totally get what you're saying.

Yeah, because it's different than a friend. You know, he's my pastor, and I love the guy. Yeah, but here's my question.

Yeah, because it's different than a friend. You know, he's my pastor, and I love the guy. Yeah, but here's my question.

Yeah, because it's different than a friend. You know, he's my pastor, and I love the guy. Yeah, but here's my question.

Yeah, I don't, you know, it's, so for me, me and my wife now, this has become part of our doctrine, you know, for me, because I've struggled for so many years. When me and my wife got married, ever since we got married, debt has been such a huge thing for us. It's kept me up at night, you know, everything you guys talk about. And then we started the baby steps, and there's peace now. Right.

Yeah, I don't, you know, it's, so for me, me and my wife now, this has become part of our doctrine, you know, for me, because I've struggled for so many years. When me and my wife got married, ever since we got married, debt has been such a huge thing for us. It's kept me up at night, you know, everything you guys talk about. And then we started the baby steps, and there's peace now. Right.

Yeah, I don't, you know, it's, so for me, me and my wife now, this has become part of our doctrine, you know, for me, because I've struggled for so many years. When me and my wife got married, ever since we got married, debt has been such a huge thing for us. It's kept me up at night, you know, everything you guys talk about. And then we started the baby steps, and there's peace now. Right.

But to be in a position where you don't feel comfortable to talk with someone you respect because you know their response, it's just mentally draining.

But to be in a position where you don't feel comfortable to talk with someone you respect because you know their response, it's just mentally draining.

But to be in a position where you don't feel comfortable to talk with someone you respect because you know their response, it's just mentally draining.

No, no. That's the thing. Like I said, we just started. I haven't really brought it up to him yet. Okay, so here's what I'm trying to get at.