Willie Robertson

I said, I tell you what, Willie, you do your thing, and I'll do mine, and we'll see who ends up on top at the end of it all.

And then about three years later, Duck Dynasty hits.

He bought into the Duck Commander business.

Every time Willie comes to the podcast, he said, Zach, we still trying to see who's going to come out on top.

The worst was when I got a video from Willie, and he was at Dave Ramsey's house.

And he was like, hey, remember that time you were doing that Dave Ramsey thing, and you said you do your thing, I do mine.

Well, I'm here with Dave right now.

We're looking for Dave's envelopes, but we haven't.

It was funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, the story of David.

We are in the story of David.

Speaking of rivalries, Saul had a rivalry with David.

So our lecture four, if you're coming along with us, it's unashamedforhillsdale.com, and you can sign up to take the course.

But we're in lecture four, which these four and five to me were so good.

Give us an overview, Al, of where we're at.

In the story, because I think you're probably the best at kind of just talking about the history of where we're at.

That's exactly right.

Well, I think about this, like Saul here, because it is interesting that at first he's so reluctant.