Winston Marshall

Yes.

Yes.

I need to explain to you who Peter Mandelson is.

Peter Mandelson is a Labour Party grandee.

His grandfather...

was part of setting up the Labour Party at the beginning of the last century.

His grandfather, Herbert Morrison, was also in Churchill's war cabinet and famously had many clashes with Churchill.

They were sort of ideologically opposed from each other.

But not only that, Mandelson is...

was regarded at the time as the Dark Prince behind Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and the New Labour Movement from 97 to 2010.

The Dark Prince is a name, by the way, that he embraced very happily.

He is known as being sort of the archetypal Machiavelli.

And in fact, I actually met him once when he was ambassador, and that was my experience.

He seemed to me to be a total Machiavelli.

So,

having had his political career where he started as doing campaigning, then became an MP for a while, got himself up to being deputy prime minister under Gordon Brown, and had various ministerial roles up until 2010 when the Tories took power in the coalition with the Liberal Democrats, at which point he pivots to the private sector, which we'll come back to.

The point, though, is that in that period, even then, his career was filled with scandal, which I'd love to go into, but there's too many other present scandals for us to address.

So he was appointed in February 2025 as ambassador to BC.

And this was by Keir Starmer.

Now, in February 2025...