Winston Marshall

The classic left was represented. You had Morris Glassman, a Lord Labour peer. You had Eric Weinstein, who he'd call himself a progressive. So it's not all the left, which is, I think, something that those who didn't go to ARC might assume it's some right-wing And I actually think that was one of the beautiful things is there are people who identify the same problems.

The classic left was represented. You had Morris Glassman, a Lord Labour peer. You had Eric Weinstein, who he'd call himself a progressive. So it's not all the left, which is, I think, something that those who didn't go to ARC might assume it's some right-wing And I actually think that was one of the beautiful things is there are people who identify the same problems.

The classic left was represented. You had Morris Glassman, a Lord Labour peer. You had Eric Weinstein, who he'd call himself a progressive. So it's not all the left, which is, I think, something that those who didn't go to ARC might assume it's some right-wing And I actually think that was one of the beautiful things is there are people who identify the same problems.

We might have different solutions to them. And I thought that that was a sort of wonderful thing that you got right. And maybe there's more room for those people there. But also in terms of this right-left-wing thing, and the way it's coded in low definition. I think one way of understanding Ark was a bit like Hayek's definition. Have you read his essay, Why I'm Not a Conservative? No, no.

We might have different solutions to them. And I thought that that was a sort of wonderful thing that you got right. And maybe there's more room for those people there. But also in terms of this right-left-wing thing, and the way it's coded in low definition. I think one way of understanding Ark was a bit like Hayek's definition. Have you read his essay, Why I'm Not a Conservative? No, no.

We might have different solutions to them. And I thought that that was a sort of wonderful thing that you got right. And maybe there's more room for those people there. But also in terms of this right-left-wing thing, and the way it's coded in low definition. I think one way of understanding Ark was a bit like Hayek's definition. Have you read his essay, Why I'm Not a Conservative? No, no.

And it's kind of, he has a paradigm where you have the sort of conservative definition progressive line. And then you have the liberals who are kind of like a thermometer who will align because they're more principle rather than temperament. They'll align with whichever side is less authoritarian or closer to their own principles.

And it's kind of, he has a paradigm where you have the sort of conservative definition progressive line. And then you have the liberals who are kind of like a thermometer who will align because they're more principle rather than temperament. They'll align with whichever side is less authoritarian or closer to their own principles.

And it's kind of, he has a paradigm where you have the sort of conservative definition progressive line. And then you have the liberals who are kind of like a thermometer who will align because they're more principle rather than temperament. They'll align with whichever side is less authoritarian or closer to their own principles.

So at the moment, the liberals, and you've said this quite a few times, the classical liberal types are aligning with the conservatives because it's the progressives and the left who have gone completely authoritarian. And I would lump in the open society ideologues in that bucket. And that seems to me what the new paradigm is, the new dichotomy.

So at the moment, the liberals, and you've said this quite a few times, the classical liberal types are aligning with the conservatives because it's the progressives and the left who have gone completely authoritarian. And I would lump in the open society ideologues in that bucket. And that seems to me what the new paradigm is, the new dichotomy.

So at the moment, the liberals, and you've said this quite a few times, the classical liberal types are aligning with the conservatives because it's the progressives and the left who have gone completely authoritarian. And I would lump in the open society ideologues in that bucket. And that seems to me what the new paradigm is, the new dichotomy.

That's the problem with the American system. That's right. The symbolic collapses into the president. Which is then why everyone loses their shit with Trump.

That's the problem with the American system. That's right. The symbolic collapses into the president. Which is then why everyone loses their shit with Trump.

That's the problem with the American system. That's right. The symbolic collapses into the president. Which is then why everyone loses their shit with Trump.

Our king has that problem, by the way.

Our king has that problem, by the way.

Our king has that problem, by the way.

Well, we had a general election last year. Sir Keir Starmer won with 20% of the electorate. He's not a popular prime minister, and he's only gone down in popularity. He won because the right was split, as you say, between reform UK and Nigel Farage, just sort of seen as a populist. And I think he would say to some, I think he's even said it on my show, to some extent he's a populist.

Well, we had a general election last year. Sir Keir Starmer won with 20% of the electorate. He's not a popular prime minister, and he's only gone down in popularity. He won because the right was split, as you say, between reform UK and Nigel Farage, just sort of seen as a populist. And I think he would say to some, I think he's even said it on my show, to some extent he's a populist.