Yusra Elbagir

And that's, I think that's where Bobby...

is struggling a bit because, I mean, I interviewed him in 2018 and he was an MP and he was full of life and full of energy and optimism and idealism.

And we went to the social media tax protest, kind of one of the first big protests they organized where people actually came out.

It was when the Ugandan government started, you know, were proposing to charge tax for the use of social media.

So it's always been a weird internet kind of battleground where the internet is...

What brings people out in frustration, the lack of internet or the controlling of it.

But seeing him, he did seem... I don't want to say defeated.

I didn't feel defeat from him.

But I felt a sadness.

I felt exhaustion.

Really, like someone who's been beleaguered.

And I did kind of push him on...

the bloodshed and what protection he's offering Ugandans when they kind of go out and support him and face the security apparatus in full force.

And he was very adamant, I'm just one Ugandan, it's on the security forces to not shoot.

I'm a leader, I show the way, I lead the way, I'm doing that.

But there was a there was a hollowness to his responses because I think ultimately he has to go and speak to the families of these kids.

And he had spoken to a family just the day before I spoke to him.

A man who was 33 killed in the polling station area in Bobby's neighborhood.

So someone from his community.

And I do think that there is that is the breaking of the spirit that Mahoosie, that the state are kind of working on, that they want to just crush the dissent as soon as it happens so that people decide it's not worth their time and that Bobby ends up being someone that eventually is blamed for this amount of bloodshed.