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Yuval Noah Harari

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

I don't know most of them.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And nevertheless, nationalism makes people care about these strangers enough so that, for instance, you pay taxes so that other people in your nation will get good health care and education.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And ultimately, in some circumstances, even risk your life for them.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Sometimes, of course, nationalism veers into hatred of others.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

But this is not an essential feature of nationalism.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Nationalism can exist without hating outsiders.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It cannot exist without love for insiders.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And many of the people today who present themselves as the champions of nationalism

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

They put the emphasis on hatred, and in many cases, they even create hatreds within the nation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

They divide the nation against itself.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

They think they are great patriots if they hate outsiders.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And, you know, looking at Israel as an example, nobody, I think, in the history of Israel divided the nation against itself more than Netanyahu.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And in this sense, he has been the worst enemy of Israeli nationalism.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Yes, he hates outsiders, okay, but this is not the key test.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And then the question is, how would different nations conduct their relationships?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It starts with issues of security and foreign policy.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

You know, the Trumpian vision, which is all about force and hierarchy, it basically says the way to organize the international system is if the weak always surrender to the demands of the strong, and then we have order, and then we have even peace.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

So if the United States demands Greenland, Denmark must recognize reality and give Greenland to the United States.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

If Denmark refuses, and as a result, there is violence, there is a war, there is conflict, this is the fault of Denmark.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

for refusing to recognize the reality and giving the strong what they demand.