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Yuval Noah Harari

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Oh, these are all kind of conspiracies to deceive us.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

But they do trust the algorithms that show them all these stories.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

So it's not that trust completely evaporated from their mind or from the world.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

It shifted from humans to algorithms.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And this is happening in more and more systems.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

The other thing which is less essential but has been very important over the last decade or two...

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

is that the algorithms of social media, they were given as their goal, not the creation of trust, not the creation of truth, but the creation of engagement.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Like the goal given to the Facebook algorithm, to the X algorithm, to the TikTok algorithm is increase user engagement, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Which sounds nice, engagement, that sounds like a good thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

But what it really means is that the algorithms experimented on millions and billions of human guinea pigs to see how do we make humans more engaged?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

How do we make humans spend longer on the platform and react to it more?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

For instance, by sharing the posts with their friends.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And I discovered that the easiest way to make people engaged is to press the hate button or the greed button or the fear button in their mind, in human minds, because hate is very engaging.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Fear is very engaging.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

If something threatens your life, you are engaged.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And they have been flooding the world with hate and fear and anger and greed and so forth.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And we are now living in a hyper-engaged world.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And, you know, engagement is very close cousin of another word, which now is very dominant in our language, which is excitement.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

Excitement simply means that your nervous system is like working in a hyper level.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yuval Noah Harari on the Mistake Strongmen Keep Making

And excitement is good in some situations, and to some extent, just as engagement is good in some situations.