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Zach Dell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
901 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

One is interconnection capacity, as we discussed.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So it takes five to 10 years to get a grid battery interconnected.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And the other is transmission congestion.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So where you actually need the power, which is the densely populated city centers, is not where you can put these big shipping containers.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So you spend a bunch of time and money trying to figure out which node on the grid you're going to place your utility scale battery.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And you kind of inevitably get it wrong because by the time you get into the interconnect queue and the time you get through the interconnect queue, the conditions on the grid changed.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And then there's other dynamics at play with regards to transmission congestion that make it really challenging for battery developers.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So the insight of BASE is around this idea of a distributed architecture.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Let's go deploy energy technology assets, starting with storage, where the grid already exists, so you don't have to wait in the interconnection queue, co-located with the power load.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So you circumvent that transmission congestion.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Our business is really a fleet of storage assets that generate cash flows that we can go finance at the portfolio level that are used to support the grid in times of high demand.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So literally what's happening is when power prices are low, we're charging up the batteries.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

To oversimplify, think about it as midnight to four in the morning when people are sleeping.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And when power prices are high, think about it as 5 to 7 p.m., 6 to 8 p.m.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

in the summers.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And then what's called the morning ramp in the winters, we're discharging the batteries.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

So these batteries are used as a grid resource, 365, charging when the power prices are low, discharging when power prices are high.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And then they're used as a local resource when the grid goes down for the homeowner.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

Now, there's another dynamic here at play, which is called the ancillary services market in Texas, which is kind of like a capacity market where ERCOT, who's a grid operator, basically calls on resources to show up with capacity for different reasons, for voltage, for frequency, or for literal electrons, or I guess in either case, they're electrons, but for capacity.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Zach Dell - Powering the Future - [Invest Like the Best, EP.434]

And you're also compensated for that.