Zach Lahn

Because people can actually see how I address these issues in a long-form discussion.

And I hope they can see my spirit and they can see, like, my heart.

Politics isn't set up for that.

And so I think that if we had more of this, of being able to understand where somebody comes from, what drives them and motivates them, there'd be less of that.

And that's probably what I go back to.

What's motivating them, truly?

Like, what's the why that when everything goes wrong and a donor pulls out or whatever, that's just going to keep them saying, I don't care, I'm doing the right thing?

That's fair.

You know, I think as I look at this as somebody who's new in these things and has paid attention and watched the short reels and the quick news clips that come up from politicians and you realize that, like, when you know, when you're in it, when you're deep in it, you understand, well, hold on, you just took this vote, but you're saying this thing or you're speaking to this group.

And so many times politicians will just...

Either they don't go face their constituents or they come in, they talk, and they leave immediately without having to talk to them.

That happens so much.

So that's maybe more of my long-form point.

It's just that, you know, if you're unwilling...

to have the deep, long discussions and own up to things that you've messed up on even?

Because I don't think any of us would say, look, if you've learned and you admit that, that you're beyond repair, but none of these people are saying they did anything wrong.

They're not saying they took a wrong vote.

Not saying they should do this differently.

But to Oliver's question, I think that's the question of our democracy in many ways.

It's like, okay, well,