Zach LaVine

You know, so Jim, me and Jim had a funny relationship, but we actually started understanding each other. But it was different because he brought a completely different mentality. He was the assistant coach. He was like the assistant coach and then got moved up to the head. And he just had to try to do something different. Him and Fred Hoiberg had completely different personalities.

You know, so Jim, me and Jim had a funny relationship, but we actually started understanding each other. But it was different because he brought a completely different mentality. He was the assistant coach. He was like the assistant coach and then got moved up to the head. And he just had to try to do something different. Him and Fred Hoiberg had completely different personalities.

So, you know, he literally brought like a like a clock in clock and guys had their name with stamps on it. You had to punch in. And I'm not joking. It was I'm in my fifth year by now. I'm like, is this the NBA? Yeah. But it was something that I think guys needed, man. He had to be authentic to himself.

So, you know, he literally brought like a like a clock in clock and guys had their name with stamps on it. You had to punch in. And I'm not joking. It was I'm in my fifth year by now. I'm like, is this the NBA? Yeah. But it was something that I think guys needed, man. He had to be authentic to himself.

He was very into it. I remember him always being like, you guys got to have the right spirit. I'm just like, dog, we're down. We got to go out here and fight. Fuck spirit. Jim actually cares so much for his players and for the organization. I think he cared. I've had a bunch of coaches, and he's probably the dude that's cared the most about Him and Billy, I don't want to throw Billy.

He was very into it. I remember him always being like, you guys got to have the right spirit. I'm just like, dog, we're down. We got to go out here and fight. Fuck spirit. Jim actually cares so much for his players and for the organization. I think he cared. I've had a bunch of coaches, and he's probably the dude that's cared the most about Him and Billy, I don't want to throw Billy.

Billy was an incredible coach. Me and him had a great relationship. But Jim cared a lot, man. I think he did the best he could.

Billy was an incredible coach. Me and him had a great relationship. But Jim cared a lot, man. I think he did the best he could.

It was like a legitimate, like if you were at a construction site, it had the time in and time out. If it was 9.05, it said 9.00.

It was like a legitimate, like if you were at a construction site, it had the time in and time out. If it was 9.05, it said 9.00.

That's what I don't know. We have like a fresh one every day. So I think he just printed out just different like him or one of the assistant guys just printed out fresh ones each and every day.

That's what I don't know. We have like a fresh one every day. So I think he just printed out just different like him or one of the assistant guys just printed out fresh ones each and every day.

You got to see if guys are consistent.

You got to see if guys are consistent.

Jim let us know who he was. He showed us some of his coaching stuff from Utah when he first came here. We were cracking up. He's like, I'm going to be the same guy regardless.

Jim let us know who he was. He showed us some of his coaching stuff from Utah when he first came here. We were cracking up. He's like, I'm going to be the same guy regardless.

No, I don't remember that.

No, I don't remember that.

I don't remember that at all. Fred had some good-ass plays, though. He had some really good ATOs. I remember that. I had a couple easy threes at ATOs that first year.

I don't remember that at all. Fred had some good-ass plays, though. He had some really good ATOs. I remember that. I had a couple easy threes at ATOs that first year.

I think it's specific to each guy. If you figure out what guys like, like what Fred – Fred did for me. He knew because he could shoot the ball and, you know, he played a little bit. He started figuring out where guys' tendency was. So like he would he would do a pin down specific to where guys like to like like to shoot.

I think it's specific to each guy. If you figure out what guys like, like what Fred – Fred did for me. He knew because he could shoot the ball and, you know, he played a little bit. He started figuring out where guys' tendency was. So like he would he would do a pin down specific to where guys like to like like to shoot.

If you like to go left, right off of a gather versus hopping versus like he he studied that. And it was a. there was a couple of times he did ATO out the right way. It was like a down screen pinned down to a flare. And I'm just like, Oh man, I'm wide open. You're like in practice and the guys know what, what's coming.

If you like to go left, right off of a gather versus hopping versus like he he studied that. And it was a. there was a couple of times he did ATO out the right way. It was like a down screen pinned down to a flare. And I'm just like, Oh man, I'm wide open. You're like in practice and the guys know what, what's coming.

So yeah, in the game you're, you know, you're expecting something, you know, be wide open.

So yeah, in the game you're, you know, you're expecting something, you know, be wide open.

No, I mean, it's always good, I think, to have pro-level guys on the staff. I don't know if it has to be the head coach because – there's a there's a common communication and respect or you know there's a language that we speak that others don't you know he's been in this situation you know A good coach and a good friend of mine was Sean Respert.

No, I mean, it's always good, I think, to have pro-level guys on the staff. I don't know if it has to be the head coach because – there's a there's a common communication and respect or you know there's a language that we speak that others don't you know he's been in this situation you know A good coach and a good friend of mine was Sean Respert.

You know, he played at Michigan State all-time league, shoot the hell out the ball, played in the NBA for a little bit. But, you know, I remember telling him, like, hey, look, these guys are double teaming me. You know, what's the best way I can, you know, split it? Like, how can I get out the double team? You know, I've been passing all day, but what's the best way to split it?

You know, he played at Michigan State all-time league, shoot the hell out the ball, played in the NBA for a little bit. But, you know, I remember telling him, like, hey, look, these guys are double teaming me. You know, what's the best way I can, you know, split it? Like, how can I get out the double team? You know, I've been passing all day, but what's the best way to split it?

If I go up to a guy or a coach that's only watched film but hasn't felt it, you might not have the same response.

If I go up to a guy or a coach that's only watched film but hasn't felt it, you might not have the same response.

Of course. I think I'm just saying a little because I've been going on my 12th year.

Of course. I think I'm just saying a little because I've been going on my 12th year.

Yeah, 100%. You know, I think it just shows what they're good at. Just because that they didn't play in the NBA, they could be a genius or a master at their craft in a different area. They might be great at it. ATOs or defensive positioning, you know, anything. It could be scouting. You know, everybody in the NBA is at a high level for a reason. You're not here for no reason.

Yeah, 100%. You know, I think it just shows what they're good at. Just because that they didn't play in the NBA, they could be a genius or a master at their craft in a different area. They might be great at it. ATOs or defensive positioning, you know, anything. It could be scouting. You know, everybody in the NBA is at a high level for a reason. You're not here for no reason.

Man, um... I've had so many coaches. I'll just say my favorite assistant coach who turned head coach was Sam Mitchell. Great guy. Sam was incredible. He would talk to you, and he was a player. I was KG's vet. I remember being on a team, and KG's like, that's my vet. Sam Mitchell was great, man. He was a head coach in the NBA before, but he was my assistant.

Man, um... I've had so many coaches. I'll just say my favorite assistant coach who turned head coach was Sam Mitchell. Great guy. Sam was incredible. He would talk to you, and he was a player. I was KG's vet. I remember being on a team, and KG's like, that's my vet. Sam Mitchell was great, man. He was a head coach in the NBA before, but he was my assistant.

Yeah, Spence was a guy who came before me, you know, with a bunch of other dudes. Legend. We can say legend.

Yeah, Spence was a guy who came before me, you know, with a bunch of other dudes. Legend. We can say legend.

He's a legend. Spence is a legend, of course, in his own right. Spence is great.

He's a legend. Spence is a legend, of course, in his own right. Spence is great.

No, but in all honesty, I know Spence. Spence is great. You know, I think Spence, when I was growing up, I was playing these little pro runs in Seattle. Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, I mean, the list goes on. Brandon Roy with all these guys at Seattle. We do a good job of keeping the community and, you know, the guys, you know, out there. But Spence was always there. He was the first dude

No, but in all honesty, I know Spence. Spence is great. You know, I think Spence, when I was growing up, I was playing these little pro runs in Seattle. Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, I mean, the list goes on. Brandon Roy with all these guys at Seattle. We do a good job of keeping the community and, you know, the guys, you know, out there. But Spence was always there. He was the first dude

that literally he pinned my shot off the backboard when I was in high school. And I thought I could jump out the gym, especially at that point. I'm trying to dunk on everybody, especially trying to impress these older pros. And Spence went up and just pinned my shit right on the backboard. And I remember my dad looking at me. He's like, that's the difference between high school and pros.

that literally he pinned my shot off the backboard when I was in high school. And I thought I could jump out the gym, especially at that point. I'm trying to dunk on everybody, especially trying to impress these older pros. And Spence went up and just pinned my shit right on the backboard. And I remember my dad looking at me. He's like, that's the difference between high school and pros.

All because of Spence, yes.

All because of Spence, yes.

Um, I remember my first pro workout I played, I mean, uh, Luke Ridenour, Luke Ridenour gave me a, uh, I rebounded for him and then he let me work out with him and play like a little pickup game with him when I was in like eighth, like seventh or eighth grade.

Um, I remember my first pro workout I played, I mean, uh, Luke Ridenour, Luke Ridenour gave me a, uh, I rebounded for him and then he let me work out with him and play like a little pickup game with him when I was in like eighth, like seventh or eighth grade.

I don't know if you're intimidated. You're still like, oh, man, this is Jamal Crawford. Right. But it becomes normalized.

I don't know if you're intimidated. You're still like, oh, man, this is Jamal Crawford. Right. But it becomes normalized.

I mean, Nate has three. I have two.

I mean, Nate has three. I have two.

But I don't know. Nate's a legend. I don't know if Nate would have beat me.

But I don't know. Nate's a legend. I don't know if Nate would have beat me.

Card? Yeah. Like gambling-wise?

Card? Yeah. Like gambling-wise?

I don't know. Not Bure.

I don't know. Not Bure.

I'm not losing, but I'm not up. Okay. But best card game, I don't know. Probably Blackjack or something like that.

I'm not losing, but I'm not up. Okay. But best card game, I don't know. Probably Blackjack or something like that.

Best Bure player I've been around? Mike Trout.

Best Bure player I've been around? Mike Trout.

Mike Trout can play some Blu-ray.

Mike Trout can play some Blu-ray.

Shout out, Mike. That's hilarious. He got a little bit of my bread.

Shout out, Mike. That's hilarious. He got a little bit of my bread.

Yeah, fantasy football. Mike is a first ballot Hall of Famer, man. That's one of my boys.

Yeah, fantasy football. Mike is a first ballot Hall of Famer, man. That's one of my boys.

Man, I got... A 68 Pontiac, a 70 Chevelle. I got a Grand National. I've had some. I used to have a 65 Mustang, so I got a lot of old school cars.

Man, I got... A 68 Pontiac, a 70 Chevelle. I got a Grand National. I've had some. I used to have a 65 Mustang, so I got a lot of old school cars.

uh ls3 okay all right i got a supercharger i got a 1970 chevy el camino uh but it doesn't really run that much don't run at all with a 454 big block i've had you know old school man every once in a while they stop that's the fun in them do you know how to fix them too Hell no. Hell no. I'd call a tow truck and take it to the garage.

uh ls3 okay all right i got a supercharger i got a 1970 chevy el camino uh but it doesn't really run that much don't run at all with a 454 big block i've had you know old school man every once in a while they stop that's the fun in them do you know how to fix them too Hell no. Hell no. I'd call a tow truck and take it to the garage.

Incredible guy. One of my good friends. It's funny, when I got traded there, I said, man, you couldn't leave me alone for four months. We see each other a lot. DeMar is great because he's extremely genuine and somebody that doesn't – he's not trying to be anyone that's not himself. It's always been a treat to be his friend first and his teammate.

Incredible guy. One of my good friends. It's funny, when I got traded there, I said, man, you couldn't leave me alone for four months. We see each other a lot. DeMar is great because he's extremely genuine and somebody that doesn't – he's not trying to be anyone that's not himself. It's always been a treat to be his friend first and his teammate.

No, I mean, if you're a competitor, you try to get better every year. You know, for me, obviously, you work on your body and the older you get, you try to get as much rest as you can and be sharp and continue to be, like, really good at the things you are.

No, I mean, if you're a competitor, you try to get better every year. You know, for me, obviously, you work on your body and the older you get, you try to get as much rest as you can and be sharp and continue to be, like, really good at the things you are.

But, you know, I think I'll go into each offseason and I'll look at, like, what can I improve on and, you know, what's a little aspect that will give me, you know, this much better.

But, you know, I think I'll go into each offseason and I'll look at, like, what can I improve on and, you know, what's a little aspect that will give me, you know, this much better.

Man, what should I work on this offseason? Realistically, I haven't got back and looked at a lot of the film. I told you I've been golfing, getting ready for this tournament. But, you know, I think I did a great job this year, man. I pretty much led the league in three-point percentage. I shot 51, 52% from the field. I averaged 24 points a game.

Man, what should I work on this offseason? Realistically, I haven't got back and looked at a lot of the film. I told you I've been golfing, getting ready for this tournament. But, you know, I think I did a great job this year, man. I pretty much led the league in three-point percentage. I shot 51, 52% from the field. I averaged 24 points a game.

So, you know, I think the efficiency point is always, you know, try to be as efficient as you can. And then I think probably just a little bit more like just how to get to the free throw line and get easier shots. You know, if I can get to the free throw line, you know, six, seven times, you know, it's easy points. It helps our team get the bonus. It keeps them in the penalty.

So, you know, I think the efficiency point is always, you know, try to be as efficient as you can. And then I think probably just a little bit more like just how to get to the free throw line and get easier shots. You know, if I can get to the free throw line, you know, six, seven times, you know, it's easy points. It helps our team get the bonus. It keeps them in the penalty.

You know, it slows the game down when you need to. I think that's something I can get a little bit better at, at least these last, these next couple years.

You know, it slows the game down when you need to. I think that's something I can get a little bit better at, at least these last, these next couple years.

I think it has to be like how it is with your game. I think getting to the free throw line is an art, honestly. It's just like shooting a step back or a floater, you know, being a learner, how to shoot a three, whatever it may be. You know, you have to learn what goes in with your game. It's not a specific guy, but I think you can take little things from each person.

I think it has to be like how it is with your game. I think getting to the free throw line is an art, honestly. It's just like shooting a step back or a floater, you know, being a learner, how to shoot a three, whatever it may be. You know, you have to learn what goes in with your game. It's not a specific guy, but I think you can take little things from each person.

If it's a sweep through or slowing down a bump, you know, I've always been good at pump fakes, you know, so it's, you know, little things like that to where it's like, how can you manipulate the game to where, you know, it fits yours.

If it's a sweep through or slowing down a bump, you know, I've always been good at pump fakes, you know, so it's, you know, little things like that to where it's like, how can you manipulate the game to where, you know, it fits yours.

My man Coop. Yeah, my man Coop, man. Yeah. That story came out like twice.

My man Coop. Yeah, my man Coop, man. Yeah. That story came out like twice.

They beat the hell out of us.

They beat the hell out of us.

I think Coop is two years older than me, so I was a sophomore and they were a senior.

I think Coop is two years older than me, so I was a sophomore and they were a senior.

But I mean, look, I was the number one player in the state. They put this little white dude on me, and I'm like, I'm about to get 40. And he's hella fast. So I could, you know, he's just as fast as me, if not faster. So and they, you know, they had a really good defense. They double team, you know, but he had a good game.

But I mean, look, I was the number one player in the state. They put this little white dude on me, and I'm like, I'm about to get 40. And he's hella fast. So I could, you know, he's just as fast as me, if not faster. So and they, you know, they had a really good defense. They double team, you know, but he had a good game.

You know, I had like 20 points, but it wasn't anywhere near my average at the point. And they they beat us by like 15. And the next game they won the state championship. So.

You know, I had like 20 points, but it wasn't anywhere near my average at the point. And they they beat us by like 15. And the next game they won the state championship. So.

What's funny is I didn't know that was him until he got to the pros. Now, I obviously knew way before you guys did or when it came out, but it was funny.

What's funny is I didn't know that was him until he got to the pros. Now, I obviously knew way before you guys did or when it came out, but it was funny.

He'd be like, you better fucking keep your mouth shut. About four years ago, I said, hey, man, why is it just coming out now? You remember that, bro? It was funny, especially how good he is at what he does. I'm not a football guy, man. My dad was a professional football player, but I stopped playing when I was in grade school, so I don't think it would have been good going either way.

He'd be like, you better fucking keep your mouth shut. About four years ago, I said, hey, man, why is it just coming out now? You remember that, bro? It was funny, especially how good he is at what he does. I'm not a football guy, man. My dad was a professional football player, but I stopped playing when I was in grade school, so I don't think it would have been good going either way.

What do y'all think? Who's a better athlete? Football or basketball?

What do y'all think? Who's a better athlete? Football or basketball?

Yeah, I mean, 85 or more.

Yeah, I mean, 85 or more.

Yeah, but we're pros. Like, that's what we're supposed to do.

Yeah, but we're pros. Like, that's what we're supposed to do.

No, but ask us to go across the middle and keep hitting the ribs, you know?

No, but ask us to go across the middle and keep hitting the ribs, you know?

Run a 10-yard out and catch it and toe tap on the sideline. Yeah, we might be able to if it was like a guy just throwing us a ball. Do it with defense. I think it's completely different.

Run a 10-yard out and catch it and toe tap on the sideline. Yeah, we might be able to if it was like a guy just throwing us a ball. Do it with defense. I think it's completely different.

Just send him to the end zone. I don't know. I think he would get jammed at the line so fast.

Just send him to the end zone. I don't know. I think he would get jammed at the line so fast.

No, I think just the crossover in general is hard. Yeah, agreed. You know, unless you played that sport before, it's – You don't have the wherewithal with it. I don't think a football guy can go in the NBA and be effective at all unless he was a high-level basketball player to start.

No, I think just the crossover in general is hard. Yeah, agreed. You know, unless you played that sport before, it's – You don't have the wherewithal with it. I don't think a football guy can go in the NBA and be effective at all unless he was a high-level basketball player to start.

Yeah, now you might have some instances where, you know, somebody could score. I might be able to get a catch as a wide receiver. Yeah, we're very high-end athletes.

Yeah, now you might have some instances where, you know, somebody could score. I might be able to get a catch as a wide receiver. Yeah, we're very high-end athletes.

There are some guys like, you know, LeBron was – off the charts in high school.

There are some guys like, you know, LeBron was – off the charts in high school.

You know, I think Westbrook would be an incredible, you know, football player.

You know, I think Westbrook would be an incredible, you know, football player.

You know... Everything's contextual.

You know... Everything's contextual.

I like the matchup of the Pacers versus the Knicks just because of the pace difference. Yeah. And playing, you know, I've been East most of my damn career, you know, almost all of it. But just playing both those teams, I think the pace of play was definitely favoring the Pacers. OKC, I think top to bottom is a better team. But, you know, it's the NBA, man. Anything can happen.

I like the matchup of the Pacers versus the Knicks just because of the pace difference. Yeah. And playing, you know, I've been East most of my damn career, you know, almost all of it. But just playing both those teams, I think the pace of play was definitely favoring the Pacers. OKC, I think top to bottom is a better team. But, you know, it's the NBA, man. Anything can happen.

You know, you grab it, you know, pray to God everybody's healthy over these next, you know, couple weeks. But you don't know until you can see them play. But if I were to, you know,

You know, you grab it, you know, pray to God everybody's healthy over these next, you know, couple weeks. But you don't know until you can see them play. But if I were to, you know,

Yeah, man. Wish me luck. Don't say too much if I shank one left or right, all right?

Yeah, man. Wish me luck. Don't say too much if I shank one left or right, all right?

I keep it dark, you know what I mean?

I keep it dark, you know what I mean?

I don't know if a generator would have worked. What are the chances that we don't get ice cream? Ever?

I don't know if a generator would have worked. What are the chances that we don't get ice cream? Ever?

So you're saying 99% chance there will be soft serve.

So you're saying 99% chance there will be soft serve.

Okay.

Okay.

Wednesday?

Wednesday?

But a hard date means that, like, what happens if we get past Wednesday?

But a hard date means that, like, what happens if we get past Wednesday?

They have like oat milk ones.

They have like oat milk ones.

Hank's not allowed to do the fingers when the fingers are towards you.

Hank's not allowed to do the fingers when the fingers are towards you.

Put the fingers down.

Put the fingers down.

All right, now the guns are out. Guns, guns, guns.

All right, now the guns are out. Guns, guns, guns.

37.

37.

25.

25.

They have the Sixers pick next year too.

They have the Sixers pick next year too.

Remember when you said that Hank only wears black hoodies?

Remember when you said that Hank only wears black hoodies?

I know. Bugle Boy.

I know. Bugle Boy.

Is this an old thing?

Is this an old thing?

It's a great name. I'm in on the name of Bugle Boy.

It's a great name. I'm in on the name of Bugle Boy.

Thank you. Bugle Boy looks fire. Bugle Boy was fire. Look at this.

Thank you. Bugle Boy looks fire. Bugle Boy was fire. Look at this.

How is that good for us?

How is that good for us?

Not us. You said us.

Not us. You said us.

Yeah, that sounds about right. My phone's charging on my desk right now. I've been thinking about it ever since I sat down. Yeah.

Yeah, that sounds about right. My phone's charging on my desk right now. I've been thinking about it ever since I sat down. Yeah.

I disagree. I think that you should respect her and all women in every facet of medium.

I disagree. I think that you should respect her and all women in every facet of medium.

No, like a medium.

No, like a medium.

Okay. Like this is a medium. That's the right word. I think the way I got there was wrong, but I ended up landing the plane, I think.

Okay. Like this is a medium. That's the right word. I think the way I got there was wrong, but I ended up landing the plane, I think.

You're going to DM her, Max? Absolutely not.

You're going to DM her, Max? Absolutely not.

Nope.

Nope.

I said no DMs.

I said no DMs.

No Hamas? Obviously not.

No Hamas? Obviously not.

I said absolutely no DMs.

I said absolutely no DMs.

I'm a man of my word.

I'm a man of my word.

I am a man of my word.

I am a man of my word.

Yep. You going to hit? Hit what? No. What is that? I don't even know what you're referring to. No.

Yep. You going to hit? Hit what? No. What is that? I don't even know what you're referring to. No.

Are you going to hit? Yeah.

Are you going to hit? Yeah.

I'm going to try my best playing softball. You going to smash? I'm trying to focus on respect over here.

I'm going to try my best playing softball. You going to smash? I'm trying to focus on respect over here.

In softball?

In softball?

Max is a long singles guy.

Max is a long singles guy.

No, this is a lie.

No, this is a lie.

Listen, I'm just trying to be respectful. Not everyone on this show is respectful. I am. Absolutely no DMs. I said absolutely no DMs. I said I was going to keep it clean. I'm over here keeping it clean.

Listen, I'm just trying to be respectful. Not everyone on this show is respectful. I am. Absolutely no DMs. I said absolutely no DMs. I said I was going to keep it clean. I'm over here keeping it clean.

I am a man of my word. Keeping it clean. Absolutely no DMs.

I am a man of my word. Keeping it clean. Absolutely no DMs.

No, I would not reply.

No, I would not reply.

But it's absolutely no DMs.

But it's absolutely no DMs.

Blocking her would be a power move.

Blocking her would be a power move.

I mean, Hank's not even in the mix on this one.

I mean, Hank's not even in the mix on this one.

I'm going to stay unblocked. Wow. Max isn't down with the boys.

I'm going to stay unblocked. Wow. Max isn't down with the boys.

On X, everything. On X, the everything app, everything's happening on X. You going to answer the question? Probably her blocking you guys in my favorite content. I would have missed that.

On X, everything. On X, the everything app, everything's happening on X. You going to answer the question? Probably her blocking you guys in my favorite content. I would have missed that.

X-Men. Librarians. Librarians.

X-Men. Librarians. Librarians.

Be awesome. People are also making fun of me because I spelled roll R-O-L-L and that.

Be awesome. People are also making fun of me because I spelled roll R-O-L-L and that.

I also spent so much time on this tweet, too. I proofread it like three times, and I still spelled roll wrong.

I also spent so much time on this tweet, too. I proofread it like three times, and I still spelled roll wrong.

I thought it was respectful to do that.

I thought it was respectful to do that.

Yeah, no. I read it out loud to my girlfriend, this tweet. You MLA formatted a tweet. She was like, I think that sounds good.

Yeah, no. I read it out loud to my girlfriend, this tweet. You MLA formatted a tweet. She was like, I think that sounds good.

Bryce Harper?

Bryce Harper?

I think he hates Philadelphia and Philadelphia hates him. But that's the whole point.

I think he hates Philadelphia and Philadelphia hates him. But that's the whole point.

I have something to say.

I have something to say.

what I feel like this is like a relationship where like it was a really really really toxic bad relationship as it was going on but it was fun it was so hot and then you broke up and then like years later thinking about her neither neither person is is really finding happiness in their new relationships so they're like let me maybe go back to that really bad toxic one and then that like never actually works

what I feel like this is like a relationship where like it was a really really really toxic bad relationship as it was going on but it was fun it was so hot and then you broke up and then like years later thinking about her neither neither person is is really finding happiness in their new relationships so they're like let me maybe go back to that really bad toxic one and then that like never actually works

I'm not talking about me and Rebecca Romijn. That is a friend of mine, and I respect her work.

I'm not talking about me and Rebecca Romijn. That is a friend of mine, and I respect her work.

I feel like that doesn't work.

I feel like that doesn't work.

But Philadelphia hated Ben Simmons, and Ben Simmons hated Philadelphia, and there were some very mean things. Max, be honest with me. Me. Be honest. I started it. Who started it? Philly fans.

But Philadelphia hated Ben Simmons, and Ben Simmons hated Philadelphia, and there were some very mean things. Max, be honest with me. Me. Be honest. I started it. Who started it? Philly fans.

He was very honest about that. The fans were very, very mean to Ben Simmons, for sure.

He was very honest about that. The fans were very, very mean to Ben Simmons, for sure.

No, he was a piece of shit for a lot of the things that he did.

No, he was a piece of shit for a lot of the things that he did.

Yeah, no.

Yeah, no.

You only get to live life once.

You only get to live life once.

Have you tried that? Is it too late to say I'm sorry? I think it's too late to say that we're sorry. Okay. Instead, I hope... Yeah, you're thinking about it. I don't really have anything to say towards Ben Simmons. I don't want to say anything negative towards the man. I certainly don't want to say anything positive towards the man.

Have you tried that? Is it too late to say I'm sorry? I think it's too late to say that we're sorry. Okay. Instead, I hope... Yeah, you're thinking about it. I don't really have anything to say towards Ben Simmons. I don't want to say anything negative towards the man. I certainly don't want to say anything positive towards the man.

How much water?

How much water?

Am I having a choice of using that water for something else or putting it on him?

Am I having a choice of using that water for something else or putting it on him?

Could I maybe donate that water to someone in need?

Could I maybe donate that water to someone in need?

I could probably use half the water. I'd give him half a bucket and keep the other half for the coffee.

I could probably use half the water. I'd give him half a bucket and keep the other half for the coffee.

Yeah, fact. That is absolutely insane. Your mic stinks. Your mic stinks. No, my mic's the best mic.

Yeah, fact. That is absolutely insane. Your mic stinks. Your mic stinks. No, my mic's the best mic.

It blew out all of our ears. Hey, guess what? The people listening, this is going to be the best mic.

It blew out all of our ears. Hey, guess what? The people listening, this is going to be the best mic.

11.

11.

And now for something completely different.

And now for something completely different.

Most important thing of the summer. Yes. By far. Yes. I haven't even thought about basketball. It's been just trying to train at golf. I did it a couple years ago, and it was the funnest experience I've had, you know, and it's I got the most respect for golfers.

Most important thing of the summer. Yes. By far. Yes. I haven't even thought about basketball. It's been just trying to train at golf. I did it a couple years ago, and it was the funnest experience I've had, you know, and it's I got the most respect for golfers.

I wish, I wish my dad put a golf club in my hand before, before, you know, baseball and football, obviously basketball worked out pretty well, but, uh, I started playing around COVID and then, uh, I got very invited to the American century tournament. It's, It was great, man. Everything's fun until they announce your name, all your accolades, and everything's quiet.

I wish, I wish my dad put a golf club in my hand before, before, you know, baseball and football, obviously basketball worked out pretty well, but, uh, I started playing around COVID and then, uh, I got very invited to the American century tournament. It's, It was great, man. Everything's fun until they announce your name, all your accolades, and everything's quiet.

My caddie's like, yeah, just take it over the guy in the red hat over his head. I'm like, oh, shoot, this is a little bit different than shooting a free throw. It's fun, though, man. I got a passion for it. I play all the time, me and my boys. It's fun.

My caddie's like, yeah, just take it over the guy in the red hat over his head. I'm like, oh, shoot, this is a little bit different than shooting a free throw. It's fun, though, man. I got a passion for it. I play all the time, me and my boys. It's fun.

Last time, I got to do better than I did last time. So my first time I had the jitters, I think I finished like 12th from last.

Last time, I got to do better than I did last time. So my first time I had the jitters, I think I finished like 12th from last.

Had a decent first day, and after that, it was just blow up hole, you know, scared to hit people. So that was a couple years ago. I've been playing with a couple of my boys. That was the year Steph won, though. So I need to be in the top 10. top 30. I'll be happy with.

Had a decent first day, and after that, it was just blow up hole, you know, scared to hit people. So that was a couple years ago. I've been playing with a couple of my boys. That was the year Steph won, though. So I need to be in the top 10. top 30. I'll be happy with.

Okay. That's my, that's my boy. I was just playing with him the other day. Uh, Devante will be out there. Um, Who else? Probably Kyle Lowry. That's one of my good friends, too. I want to probably beat him. Devontae's pretty damn good, man. He's probably like a five handicap.

Okay. That's my, that's my boy. I was just playing with him the other day. Uh, Devante will be out there. Um, Who else? Probably Kyle Lowry. That's one of my good friends, too. I want to probably beat him. Devontae's pretty damn good, man. He's probably like a five handicap.

No, the guy that has nasty stuff, man, every time I talk to him, I say, you can't be this good at both sports. Yeah, agreed. He's pro-level at golf, so it's sick.

No, the guy that has nasty stuff, man, every time I talk to him, I say, you can't be this good at both sports. Yeah, agreed. He's pro-level at golf, so it's sick.

Yeah, it started off as golf. I got addicted to it. I was, you know, you guys know me. I'm a pretty good athlete. I was a better baseball player than basketball. So, you know, it's, you know, picking up golf was it wasn't that hard. I already knew how to swing. But it's definitely it's challenging, man. It's challenging.

Yeah, it started off as golf. I got addicted to it. I was, you know, you guys know me. I'm a pretty good athlete. I was a better baseball player than basketball. So, you know, it's, you know, picking up golf was it wasn't that hard. I already knew how to swing. But it's definitely it's challenging, man. It's challenging.

I think I would have been pretty good. Obviously, um, you know, me and me and Donovan Mitchell were having this conversation. We did the little celebrity all-star game in Seattle. And, uh, We're like, how about we both retire at 32 and see which one of us will make the pros after we retire. I made a good choice, man. I can't get mad at anything I've done.

I think I would have been pretty good. Obviously, um, you know, me and me and Donovan Mitchell were having this conversation. We did the little celebrity all-star game in Seattle. And, uh, We're like, how about we both retire at 32 and see which one of us will make the pros after we retire. I made a good choice, man. I can't get mad at anything I've done.

Basketball is definitely my passion and something I excel at.

Basketball is definitely my passion and something I excel at.

Still does. Yeah, no, I mean, I've done everything from, you know, athletic training-wise of,

Still does. Yeah, no, I mean, I've done everything from, you know, athletic training-wise of,

running jumping plyometrics i used to i used to do lunges on the football field from 100 yard lines and then do them backwards 80 backwards 60 i would hop the hashes i would i would run you know run hills with weight vests on when i was 12 you know my dad was training me like a you know a professional when i was a kid so i think i think everything helped out yeah so he's still he works you out now every once my dad's retired now that's what he says you know he said my job is to you know enjoy you enjoy enjoy his grandkids and

running jumping plyometrics i used to i used to do lunges on the football field from 100 yard lines and then do them backwards 80 backwards 60 i would hop the hashes i would i would run you know run hills with weight vests on when i was 12 you know my dad was training me like a you know a professional when i was a kid so i think i think everything helped out yeah so he's still he works you out now every once my dad's retired now that's what he says you know he said my job is to you know enjoy you enjoy enjoy his grandkids and

you know, come to games and talk a little shit. I think that's about it, you know, but, uh, he's still, uh, you know, he still gives me some workouts for sure.

you know, come to games and talk a little shit. I think that's about it, you know, but, uh, he's still, uh, you know, he still gives me some workouts for sure.

I mean, the guy, the guy's a crash dummy, man. I mean, playing with him for three years, he, he's one of the smartest dudes. He's going to be a great coach when he's done. You know, when he, when he was with us in Chicago, he would, he would help lead some of our meetings. Um, and you know, him coming from LA, having that championship predigree, you know, it elevated our defense immediately. Um,

I mean, the guy, the guy's a crash dummy, man. I mean, playing with him for three years, he, he's one of the smartest dudes. He's going to be a great coach when he's done. You know, when he, when he was with us in Chicago, he would, he would help lead some of our meetings. Um, and you know, him coming from LA, having that championship predigree, you know, it elevated our defense immediately. Um,

Helping guys out like me and DeMar just being gaps. And Alex, you know, Alex is a great athlete. But, you know, he'll tell you first. He's like, I'm not an elite, elite, you know, athlete. He's just all heart and IQ, man. You know, he studies film a lot. I've seen him break down dudes game. I remember how he guarded me. I always tell him I gave him 38 one day, but it was a hard 38.

Helping guys out like me and DeMar just being gaps. And Alex, you know, Alex is a great athlete. But, you know, he'll tell you first. He's like, I'm not an elite, elite, you know, athlete. He's just all heart and IQ, man. You know, he studies film a lot. I've seen him break down dudes game. I remember how he guarded me. I always tell him I gave him 38 one day, but it was a hard 38.

But AC is one of the best defenders in the NBA. I think he should have been all-first defense many times, many times.

But AC is one of the best defenders in the NBA. I think he should have been all-first defense many times, many times.

Every year he should have it, every year.

Every year he should have it, every year.

Everything that goes Alex's way, man, he deserves. One of the hardest working guys. You know, one of the coolest dudes. Talk about a good golfer, too. He's a little bit better than me, too. I think he competed in the American Century Tournament one time. So he's a great guy. He's one of my good friends.

Everything that goes Alex's way, man, he deserves. One of the hardest working guys. You know, one of the coolest dudes. Talk about a good golfer, too. He's a little bit better than me, too. I think he competed in the American Century Tournament one time. So he's a great guy. He's one of my good friends.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going for my guys all the time. You know, AC, I want him to, you know, be able to hoist another championship. I'll see him later this summer. So, you know, if he can get another one, I mean, what a trade. You know, the upgrade that they had when Chicago traded him to OKC, man, it was an incredible trade for them.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going for my guys all the time. You know, AC, I want him to, you know, be able to hoist another championship. I'll see him later this summer. So, you know, if he can get another one, I mean, what a trade. You know, the upgrade that they had when Chicago traded him to OKC, man, it was an incredible trade for them.

I mean, they're a really good defensive team. I think they put that first. You know, guys that support each other are hard-nosed guys, and, you know, that's their role to go out there. You know, we understand Shea's role, but, you know, he sits in gaps. You know, he's not somebody that you're going to say is an elite defender, but, you know, he sits down when he needs to. He has really good hands.

I mean, they're a really good defensive team. I think they put that first. You know, guys that support each other are hard-nosed guys, and, you know, that's their role to go out there. You know, we understand Shea's role, but, you know, he sits in gaps. You know, he's not somebody that you're going to say is an elite defender, but, you know, he sits down when he needs to. He has really good hands.

But you have guys like Lou Dort, who, like, that's his job is to harass all game. He don't care if he shoots 10 times or two times. Same with AC. AC might get 15 points, but he'll impact the game by getting – Four steals, two blocks, a charge, three deflections. Cason Wallace is a really good defender, too. So they have specific specialist guys on their team that they really get after.

But you have guys like Lou Dort, who, like, that's his job is to harass all game. He don't care if he shoots 10 times or two times. Same with AC. AC might get 15 points, but he'll impact the game by getting – Four steals, two blocks, a charge, three deflections. Cason Wallace is a really good defender, too. So they have specific specialist guys on their team that they really get after.

Earlier this year, it was... We played them later on, you know, right after. We played them right after the All-Star break. We gave them a pretty good run up in Sacramento. But, you know, it was a hard-fought game. But every possession, you have to make a shot or you have to really work the offense. And they're really well coached, really well coached.

Earlier this year, it was... We played them later on, you know, right after. We played them right after the All-Star break. We gave them a pretty good run up in Sacramento. But, you know, it was a hard-fought game. But every possession, you have to make a shot or you have to really work the offense. And they're really well coached, really well coached.

they're they're a hard-nosed team but they get up and down fast they don't care if you score you take they take it out of bounds quick they you know they bring the ball you have to play fast for some I think this last year in Chicago we played them pretty well even the year before we played them we played them decently and they've had the same style of play Rick Carlisle you know hell of a coach you know Halliburton can literally you know do what he wants to with the ball and get into the paint facilitating guys he'll have a good game by not even scoring well sometimes but um

they're they're a hard-nosed team but they get up and down fast they don't care if you score you take they take it out of bounds quick they you know they bring the ball you have to play fast for some I think this last year in Chicago we played them pretty well even the year before we played them we played them decently and they've had the same style of play Rick Carlisle you know hell of a coach you know Halliburton can literally you know do what he wants to with the ball and get into the paint facilitating guys he'll have a good game by not even scoring well sometimes but um

Yeah, you got to play fast versus them. I think the Knicks, you know, they are one of the slower paced teams in the NBA, you know, so it's, you know, it's a pick your battle. Essentially, you either got to pay at their pace or, you know, you can't have any turnovers. You got to get them in foul trouble.

Yeah, you got to play fast versus them. I think the Knicks, you know, they are one of the slower paced teams in the NBA, you know, so it's, you know, it's a pick your battle. Essentially, you either got to pay at their pace or, you know, you can't have any turnovers. You got to get them in foul trouble.

You know, you got to make them play at your pace and it's hard to do that with guys, you know, running.

You know, you got to make them play at your pace and it's hard to do that with guys, you know, running.

I mean, that's the new, there's a lot of guys that come into the game and start celebrating over one shot. I think that's the newer generation of guys.

I mean, that's the new, there's a lot of guys that come into the game and start celebrating over one shot. I think that's the newer generation of guys.

If you could play one game, 36 minutes, how many points do you think you could score?

If you could play one game, 36 minutes, how many points do you think you could score?

They were wide open.

They were wide open.

Yeah, they take the ball out the net and they literally, it's a next play mentality. And they have a lot of guys out there that are hard-nosed. Like, T.J. McConnell's been a winner since he was in high school. You know, a lot of, like, he's a guy that... I played against them in college, and them hard-nosed guys, Neesmith, you know, all those guys. Siakam's come from winning.

Yeah, they take the ball out the net and they literally, it's a next play mentality. And they have a lot of guys out there that are hard-nosed. Like, T.J. McConnell's been a winner since he was in high school. You know, a lot of, like, he's a guy that... I played against them in college, and them hard-nosed guys, Neesmith, you know, all those guys. Siakam's come from winning.

You know, they're a good team.

You know, they're a good team.

I mean, Cat's one of the most skilled people in the NBA in general. It's not even crazy. I think he's a top big in the league, and he's proven that over the last seven years of his career. There's not a lot of guys you can compare him to. I think that trade for him was big time too because – I mean, I think the trade for both of them was big.

I mean, Cat's one of the most skilled people in the NBA in general. It's not even crazy. I think he's a top big in the league, and he's proven that over the last seven years of his career. There's not a lot of guys you can compare him to. I think that trade for him was big time too because – I mean, I think the trade for both of them was big.

You know, Minnesota, you know, getting some more toughness with Julius Randle. You see that both were in the, you know, the conference finals. But Katzenkrupp was one of my good friends. I always root for him. It just shows how, you know, how skilled and how talented he is because, you know, any team he gets on, he can elevate.

You know, Minnesota, you know, getting some more toughness with Julius Randle. You see that both were in the, you know, the conference finals. But Katzenkrupp was one of my good friends. I always root for him. It just shows how, you know, how skilled and how talented he is because, you know, any team he gets on, he can elevate.

Uh, yeah, no, it, We were pretty bad at this throughout the entire playoffs. None of you guys hit one of them, which made it slightly easier for me. Taking the congratulations back.

Uh, yeah, no, it, We were pretty bad at this throughout the entire playoffs. None of you guys hit one of them, which made it slightly easier for me. Taking the congratulations back.

Oh, yeah, we were – When I got drafted, I just turned 19, you know, and then I played me and Drew were together when he got traded over, and then Cat got drafted next year. So, you know, we were really good those first three years. I think we were one of the only teams that had, like, three guys averaging 20 or more points, and we were all under 21. So, you know, good times.

Oh, yeah, we were – When I got drafted, I just turned 19, you know, and then I played me and Drew were together when he got traded over, and then Cat got drafted next year. So, you know, we were really good those first three years. I think we were one of the only teams that had, like, three guys averaging 20 or more points, and we were all under 21. So, you know, good times.

Yeah, I mean, you can always think, but you never know. I think – Growing up and then seeing, you know, obviously the trajectory of each of our careers, you know, I think we needed it, you know, especially, you know, for me, like me being able to go to Chicago and, you know, have pretty much become the player that I was.

Yeah, I mean, you can always think, but you never know. I think – Growing up and then seeing, you know, obviously the trajectory of each of our careers, you know, I think we needed it, you know, especially, you know, for me, like me being able to go to Chicago and, you know, have pretty much become the player that I was.

I don't think that would have happened if we all stuck together, but you never know how good of a team we could have been.

I don't think that would have happened if we all stuck together, but you never know how good of a team we could have been.

You know, I think I take everything in stride, but I think that's the beauty of basketball. Yeah.

You know, I think I take everything in stride, but I think that's the beauty of basketball. Yeah.

KG liked me a lot. Me and KG sat next to each other. That's like one of my main vets. I have a specific story that's hilarious. I hope you don't get mad at this. He comes in the locker room and a couple guys get on their phone immediately. And they're looking at either stats or Twitter. I don't know. They're looking at something. And this is like one of his first, you know, first games with us.

KG liked me a lot. Me and KG sat next to each other. That's like one of my main vets. I have a specific story that's hilarious. I hope you don't get mad at this. He comes in the locker room and a couple guys get on their phone immediately. And they're looking at either stats or Twitter. I don't know. They're looking at something. And this is like one of his first, you know, first games with us.

And he's looking around. He looks next to me. He's like, Zach, they always do this shit. I say, yeah, man, you know, I don't know any different. It's my first, you know, my first time in the NBA. Gets up, grabs everybody's phone, puts in a bag. So we're not doing this shit no more. A couple extra, you know, expletives. Throws the bag outside the locker room before flips comes in.

And he's looking around. He looks next to me. He's like, Zach, they always do this shit. I say, yeah, man, you know, I don't know any different. It's my first, you know, my first time in the NBA. Gets up, grabs everybody's phone, puts in a bag. So we're not doing this shit no more. A couple extra, you know, expletives. Throws the bag outside the locker room before flips comes in.

Flip comes in the locker room, starts talking about the meeting. He holds it up. He said, no, we're not doing this shit. Nobody gets on their phone one more time. I promise you every phone is getting broken. Go ahead, flip, start the meeting. He set the tone immediately from that. You know, it was the first time we got traded over. But KG, it was incredible having those guys, him, Mo Williams.

Flip comes in the locker room, starts talking about the meeting. He holds it up. He said, no, we're not doing this shit. Nobody gets on their phone one more time. I promise you every phone is getting broken. Go ahead, flip, start the meeting. He set the tone immediately from that. You know, it was the first time we got traded over. But KG, it was incredible having those guys, him, Mo Williams.

Andre Miller, Rubio, Tayshaun Prince was on the team. We had a lot of vets. Corey Brewer, it was an exciting team. It was a mix of literally young puppies and old dogs, so it was fun.

Andre Miller, Rubio, Tayshaun Prince was on the team. We had a lot of vets. Corey Brewer, it was an exciting team. It was a mix of literally young puppies and old dogs, so it was fun.

There's no one like him, man. The demeanor he brings, the intensity, even in practice. Every practice with us, he's 40 years old with a bum knee, and he's running lines as hard as anybody. He's talking mess to guys. He's giving people hard-ass fouls in practice. I'm talking about 10 a.m. early, first scrimmage, hard playoff foul. The intensity he brought, he's one of a kind. You can't fake that.

There's no one like him, man. The demeanor he brings, the intensity, even in practice. Every practice with us, he's 40 years old with a bum knee, and he's running lines as hard as anybody. He's talking mess to guys. He's giving people hard-ass fouls in practice. I'm talking about 10 a.m. early, first scrimmage, hard playoff foul. The intensity he brought, he's one of a kind. You can't fake that.

Great point. But yeah, $5,000 free bet. I'm splitting it with a very hard-working behind-the-scenes guy, Quiggs, here. So we're going to put out a parlay probably next week around sometime. I'm excited for it.

Great point. But yeah, $5,000 free bet. I'm splitting it with a very hard-working behind-the-scenes guy, Quiggs, here. So we're going to put out a parlay probably next week around sometime. I'm excited for it.

It was great, man. It was a great experience. You know, I think I think that was for me. It was one of the first times I had like a specific role. You know, I wasn't, you know, the leading scorer of the team. You know, we had Kevin Durant. It was Jason Tatum, me, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Draymond. Like it was so many guys. Damian Lillard.

It was great, man. It was a great experience. You know, I think I think that was for me. It was one of the first times I had like a specific role. You know, I wasn't, you know, the leading scorer of the team. You know, we had Kevin Durant. It was Jason Tatum, me, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Draymond. Like it was so many guys. Damian Lillard.

I think it was the first year I made the All-Star team, too. So, you know, we're all coming off really big years, but they need specific roles. And that was the year I just told him I was like, look, whatever I need to do to, you know, be on the court and help contribute. So I was picking up guys full court. I was like a catch-and-shoot dude. I was getting steals, getting transition.

I think it was the first year I made the All-Star team, too. So, you know, we're all coming off really big years, but they need specific roles. And that was the year I just told him I was like, look, whatever I need to do to, you know, be on the court and help contribute. So I was picking up guys full court. I was like a catch-and-shoot dude. I was getting steals, getting transition.

It was probably some of the funnest, you know, basketball I ever played because, you know, everyone had a specific goal, didn't care about egos. And we came together and, you know, figured it out.

It was probably some of the funnest, you know, basketball I ever played because, you know, everyone had a specific goal, didn't care about egos. And we came together and, you know, figured it out.

Yeah. It was right after COVID. Limited fans. And we only had like two weeks of like training camp where, you know, before other, you know, other teams had like a longer, a longer stint. You know, they put us together and we figured it out, man. So it was really cool.

Yeah. It was right after COVID. Limited fans. And we only had like two weeks of like training camp where, you know, before other, you know, other teams had like a longer, a longer stint. You know, they put us together and we figured it out, man. So it was really cool.

I think we were like when we lost our first like first exhibition game.

I think we were like when we lost our first like first exhibition game.

It was a lot from like stun. But, you know, I think we needed that because it made it it made everybody closer.

It was a lot from like stun. But, you know, I think we needed that because it made it it made everybody closer.

Yeah, I mean, we scrimmaged a lot and guys were going at each other and then we got to play against the select team, which is always fun. Coming up through the USA program where the younger guys get to play against the Olympic team. I did it when they were over in Brazil. So Seeing the guys go at us, I think they won the first two quarters.

Yeah, I mean, we scrimmaged a lot and guys were going at each other and then we got to play against the select team, which is always fun. Coming up through the USA program where the younger guys get to play against the Olympic team. I did it when they were over in Brazil. So Seeing the guys go at us, I think they won the first two quarters.

We ended up coming back and beating them, but that's what gets everything pretty much rolling in that competitive nature because without that, you're walking into a horn's nest.

We ended up coming back and beating them, but that's what gets everything pretty much rolling in that competitive nature because without that, you're walking into a horn's nest.

Yeah, I wish I shot more. I probably could have hit like 16. It was crazy. Yeah. You could feel it? Yeah. Whenever you're guys that can score the ball and shoot, you try to figure out how to get in that zone. You know, it just happens sometimes. If it might be in the first quarter, it might be in the second, fourth, whatever it is. But you just try to find that zone and stay in it.

Yeah, I wish I shot more. I probably could have hit like 16. It was crazy. Yeah. You could feel it? Yeah. Whenever you're guys that can score the ball and shoot, you try to figure out how to get in that zone. You know, it just happens sometimes. If it might be in the first quarter, it might be in the second, fourth, whatever it is. But you just try to find that zone and stay in it.

You know, I think you can see guys that are good three-point shooters. You know, that's how you get those runs going where, you know, you get three, four, five threes in a row or, you know, over a certain game stretch of, you know, finding a rhythm. You'll see guys hit seven threes for, like, consecutive nights because, you know, it's muscle memory at a certain point and confidence.

You know, I think you can see guys that are good three-point shooters. You know, that's how you get those runs going where, you know, you get three, four, five threes in a row or, you know, over a certain game stretch of, you know, finding a rhythm. You'll see guys hit seven threes for, like, consecutive nights because, you know, it's muscle memory at a certain point and confidence.

So once you get that going, it's easy.

So once you get that going, it's easy.

Yeah. Who's also with the Pacers. I'm actually really excited for him. I'm glad that he's doing a good job over there.

Yeah. Who's also with the Pacers. I'm actually really excited for him. I'm glad that he's doing a good job over there.

You know, so Jim, me and Jim had a funny relationship, but we actually started understanding each other. But it was different because he brought a completely different mentality. He was the assistant coach. He was like the assistant coach and then got moved up to the head. And he just had to try to do something different. Him and Fred Hoiberg had completely different personalities.

So, you know, he literally brought like a like a clock in clock and guys had their name with stamps on it. You had to punch in. And I'm not joking. It was I'm in my fifth year by now. I'm like, is this the NBA? Yeah. But it was something that I think guys needed, man. He had to be authentic to himself.

He was very into it. I remember him always being like, you guys got to have the right spirit. I'm just like, dog, we're down. We got to go out here and fight. Fuck spirit. Jim actually cares so much for his players and for the organization. I think he cared. I've had a bunch of coaches, and he's probably the dude that's cared the most about Him and Billy, I don't want to throw Billy.

Billy was an incredible coach. Me and him had a great relationship. But Jim cared a lot, man. I think he did the best he could.

It was like a legitimate, like if you were at a construction site, it had the time in and time out. If it was 9.05, it said 9.00.

That's what I don't know. We have like a fresh one every day. So I think he just printed out just different like him or one of the assistant guys just printed out fresh ones each and every day.

You got to see if guys are consistent.

Jim let us know who he was. He showed us some of his coaching stuff from Utah when he first came here. We were cracking up. He's like, I'm going to be the same guy regardless.

No, I don't remember that.

I don't remember that at all. Fred had some good-ass plays, though. He had some really good ATOs. I remember that. I had a couple easy threes at ATOs that first year.

I think it's specific to each guy. If you figure out what guys like, like what Fred – Fred did for me. He knew because he could shoot the ball and, you know, he played a little bit. He started figuring out where guys' tendency was. So like he would he would do a pin down specific to where guys like to like like to shoot.

If you like to go left, right off of a gather versus hopping versus like he he studied that. And it was a. there was a couple of times he did ATO out the right way. It was like a down screen pinned down to a flare. And I'm just like, Oh man, I'm wide open. You're like in practice and the guys know what, what's coming.

So yeah, in the game you're, you know, you're expecting something, you know, be wide open.

No, I mean, it's always good, I think, to have pro-level guys on the staff. I don't know if it has to be the head coach because – there's a there's a common communication and respect or you know there's a language that we speak that others don't you know he's been in this situation you know A good coach and a good friend of mine was Sean Respert.

You know, he played at Michigan State all-time league, shoot the hell out the ball, played in the NBA for a little bit. But, you know, I remember telling him, like, hey, look, these guys are double teaming me. You know, what's the best way I can, you know, split it? Like, how can I get out the double team? You know, I've been passing all day, but what's the best way to split it?

If I go up to a guy or a coach that's only watched film but hasn't felt it, you might not have the same response.

Of course. I think I'm just saying a little because I've been going on my 12th year.

Yeah, 100%. You know, I think it just shows what they're good at. Just because that they didn't play in the NBA, they could be a genius or a master at their craft in a different area. They might be great at it. ATOs or defensive positioning, you know, anything. It could be scouting. You know, everybody in the NBA is at a high level for a reason. You're not here for no reason.

Man, um... I've had so many coaches. I'll just say my favorite assistant coach who turned head coach was Sam Mitchell. Great guy. Sam was incredible. He would talk to you, and he was a player. I was KG's vet. I remember being on a team, and KG's like, that's my vet. Sam Mitchell was great, man. He was a head coach in the NBA before, but he was my assistant.

Yeah, Spence was a guy who came before me, you know, with a bunch of other dudes. Legend. We can say legend.

He's a legend. Spence is a legend, of course, in his own right. Spence is great.

No, but in all honesty, I know Spence. Spence is great. You know, I think Spence, when I was growing up, I was playing these little pro runs in Seattle. Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, I mean, the list goes on. Brandon Roy with all these guys at Seattle. We do a good job of keeping the community and, you know, the guys, you know, out there. But Spence was always there. He was the first dude

that literally he pinned my shot off the backboard when I was in high school. And I thought I could jump out the gym, especially at that point. I'm trying to dunk on everybody, especially trying to impress these older pros. And Spence went up and just pinned my shit right on the backboard. And I remember my dad looking at me. He's like, that's the difference between high school and pros.

All because of Spence, yes.

Um, I remember my first pro workout I played, I mean, uh, Luke Ridenour, Luke Ridenour gave me a, uh, I rebounded for him and then he let me work out with him and play like a little pickup game with him when I was in like eighth, like seventh or eighth grade.

I don't know if you're intimidated. You're still like, oh, man, this is Jamal Crawford. Right. But it becomes normalized.

I mean, Nate has three. I have two.

But I don't know. Nate's a legend. I don't know if Nate would have beat me.

Card? Yeah. Like gambling-wise?

I don't know. Not Bure.

I'm not losing, but I'm not up. Okay. But best card game, I don't know. Probably Blackjack or something like that.

Best Bure player I've been around? Mike Trout.

Mike Trout can play some Blu-ray.

Shout out, Mike. That's hilarious. He got a little bit of my bread.

Yeah, fantasy football. Mike is a first ballot Hall of Famer, man. That's one of my boys.

Man, I got... A 68 Pontiac, a 70 Chevelle. I got a Grand National. I've had some. I used to have a 65 Mustang, so I got a lot of old school cars.

uh ls3 okay all right i got a supercharger i got a 1970 chevy el camino uh but it doesn't really run that much don't run at all with a 454 big block i've had you know old school man every once in a while they stop that's the fun in them do you know how to fix them too Hell no. Hell no. I'd call a tow truck and take it to the garage.

Incredible guy. One of my good friends. It's funny, when I got traded there, I said, man, you couldn't leave me alone for four months. We see each other a lot. DeMar is great because he's extremely genuine and somebody that doesn't – he's not trying to be anyone that's not himself. It's always been a treat to be his friend first and his teammate.

No, I mean, if you're a competitor, you try to get better every year. You know, for me, obviously, you work on your body and the older you get, you try to get as much rest as you can and be sharp and continue to be, like, really good at the things you are.

But, you know, I think I'll go into each offseason and I'll look at, like, what can I improve on and, you know, what's a little aspect that will give me, you know, this much better.

Man, what should I work on this offseason? Realistically, I haven't got back and looked at a lot of the film. I told you I've been golfing, getting ready for this tournament. But, you know, I think I did a great job this year, man. I pretty much led the league in three-point percentage. I shot 51, 52% from the field. I averaged 24 points a game.

So, you know, I think the efficiency point is always, you know, try to be as efficient as you can. And then I think probably just a little bit more like just how to get to the free throw line and get easier shots. You know, if I can get to the free throw line, you know, six, seven times, you know, it's easy points. It helps our team get the bonus. It keeps them in the penalty.

You know, it slows the game down when you need to. I think that's something I can get a little bit better at, at least these last, these next couple years.

I think it has to be like how it is with your game. I think getting to the free throw line is an art, honestly. It's just like shooting a step back or a floater, you know, being a learner, how to shoot a three, whatever it may be. You know, you have to learn what goes in with your game. It's not a specific guy, but I think you can take little things from each person.

If it's a sweep through or slowing down a bump, you know, I've always been good at pump fakes, you know, so it's, you know, little things like that to where it's like, how can you manipulate the game to where, you know, it fits yours.

My man Coop. Yeah, my man Coop, man. Yeah. That story came out like twice.

They beat the hell out of us.

I think Coop is two years older than me, so I was a sophomore and they were a senior.

But I mean, look, I was the number one player in the state. They put this little white dude on me, and I'm like, I'm about to get 40. And he's hella fast. So I could, you know, he's just as fast as me, if not faster. So and they, you know, they had a really good defense. They double team, you know, but he had a good game.

You know, I had like 20 points, but it wasn't anywhere near my average at the point. And they they beat us by like 15. And the next game they won the state championship. So.

What's funny is I didn't know that was him until he got to the pros. Now, I obviously knew way before you guys did or when it came out, but it was funny.

He'd be like, you better fucking keep your mouth shut. About four years ago, I said, hey, man, why is it just coming out now? You remember that, bro? It was funny, especially how good he is at what he does. I'm not a football guy, man. My dad was a professional football player, but I stopped playing when I was in grade school, so I don't think it would have been good going either way.

What do y'all think? Who's a better athlete? Football or basketball?

Yeah, I mean, 85 or more.

Yeah, but we're pros. Like, that's what we're supposed to do.

No, but ask us to go across the middle and keep hitting the ribs, you know?

Run a 10-yard out and catch it and toe tap on the sideline. Yeah, we might be able to if it was like a guy just throwing us a ball. Do it with defense. I think it's completely different.

Just send him to the end zone. I don't know. I think he would get jammed at the line so fast.

No, I think just the crossover in general is hard. Yeah, agreed. You know, unless you played that sport before, it's – You don't have the wherewithal with it. I don't think a football guy can go in the NBA and be effective at all unless he was a high-level basketball player to start.

Yeah, now you might have some instances where, you know, somebody could score. I might be able to get a catch as a wide receiver. Yeah, we're very high-end athletes.

There are some guys like, you know, LeBron was – off the charts in high school.

You know, I think Westbrook would be an incredible, you know, football player.

You know... Everything's contextual.

I like the matchup of the Pacers versus the Knicks just because of the pace difference. Yeah. And playing, you know, I've been East most of my damn career, you know, almost all of it. But just playing both those teams, I think the pace of play was definitely favoring the Pacers. OKC, I think top to bottom is a better team. But, you know, it's the NBA, man. Anything can happen.

You know, you grab it, you know, pray to God everybody's healthy over these next, you know, couple weeks. But you don't know until you can see them play. But if I were to, you know,

Yeah, man. Wish me luck. Don't say too much if I shank one left or right, all right?

I keep it dark, you know what I mean?

I don't know if a generator would have worked. What are the chances that we don't get ice cream? Ever?

So you're saying 99% chance there will be soft serve.

Okay.

Wednesday?

But a hard date means that, like, what happens if we get past Wednesday?

They have like oat milk ones.

Hank's not allowed to do the fingers when the fingers are towards you.

Put the fingers down.

All right, now the guns are out. Guns, guns, guns.

37.

25.

They have the Sixers pick next year too.

Remember when you said that Hank only wears black hoodies?

I know. Bugle Boy.

Is this an old thing?

It's a great name. I'm in on the name of Bugle Boy.

Thank you. Bugle Boy looks fire. Bugle Boy was fire. Look at this.

How is that good for us?

Not us. You said us.

Yeah, that sounds about right. My phone's charging on my desk right now. I've been thinking about it ever since I sat down. Yeah.

I disagree. I think that you should respect her and all women in every facet of medium.

No, like a medium.

Okay. Like this is a medium. That's the right word. I think the way I got there was wrong, but I ended up landing the plane, I think.

You're going to DM her, Max? Absolutely not.

Nope.

I said no DMs.

No Hamas? Obviously not.

I said absolutely no DMs.

I'm a man of my word.

I am a man of my word.

Yep. You going to hit? Hit what? No. What is that? I don't even know what you're referring to. No.

Are you going to hit? Yeah.

I'm going to try my best playing softball. You going to smash? I'm trying to focus on respect over here.

In softball?

Max is a long singles guy.

No, this is a lie.

Listen, I'm just trying to be respectful. Not everyone on this show is respectful. I am. Absolutely no DMs. I said absolutely no DMs. I said I was going to keep it clean. I'm over here keeping it clean.

I am a man of my word. Keeping it clean. Absolutely no DMs.

No, I would not reply.

But it's absolutely no DMs.

Blocking her would be a power move.

I mean, Hank's not even in the mix on this one.

I'm going to stay unblocked. Wow. Max isn't down with the boys.

On X, everything. On X, the everything app, everything's happening on X. You going to answer the question? Probably her blocking you guys in my favorite content. I would have missed that.

X-Men. Librarians. Librarians.

Be awesome. People are also making fun of me because I spelled roll R-O-L-L and that.

I also spent so much time on this tweet, too. I proofread it like three times, and I still spelled roll wrong.

I thought it was respectful to do that.

Yeah, no. I read it out loud to my girlfriend, this tweet. You MLA formatted a tweet. She was like, I think that sounds good.

Bryce Harper?

I think he hates Philadelphia and Philadelphia hates him. But that's the whole point.

I have something to say.

what I feel like this is like a relationship where like it was a really really really toxic bad relationship as it was going on but it was fun it was so hot and then you broke up and then like years later thinking about her neither neither person is is really finding happiness in their new relationships so they're like let me maybe go back to that really bad toxic one and then that like never actually works

I'm not talking about me and Rebecca Romijn. That is a friend of mine, and I respect her work.

I feel like that doesn't work.

But Philadelphia hated Ben Simmons, and Ben Simmons hated Philadelphia, and there were some very mean things. Max, be honest with me. Me. Be honest. I started it. Who started it? Philly fans.

He was very honest about that. The fans were very, very mean to Ben Simmons, for sure.

No, he was a piece of shit for a lot of the things that he did.

Yeah, no.

You only get to live life once.

Have you tried that? Is it too late to say I'm sorry? I think it's too late to say that we're sorry. Okay. Instead, I hope... Yeah, you're thinking about it. I don't really have anything to say towards Ben Simmons. I don't want to say anything negative towards the man. I certainly don't want to say anything positive towards the man.

How much water?

Am I having a choice of using that water for something else or putting it on him?

Could I maybe donate that water to someone in need?

I could probably use half the water. I'd give him half a bucket and keep the other half for the coffee.

Yeah, fact. That is absolutely insane. Your mic stinks. Your mic stinks. No, my mic's the best mic.

It blew out all of our ears. Hey, guess what? The people listening, this is going to be the best mic.

11.

And now for something completely different.

Most important thing of the summer. Yes. By far. Yes. I haven't even thought about basketball. It's been just trying to train at golf. I did it a couple years ago, and it was the funnest experience I've had, you know, and it's I got the most respect for golfers.

I wish, I wish my dad put a golf club in my hand before, before, you know, baseball and football, obviously basketball worked out pretty well, but, uh, I started playing around COVID and then, uh, I got very invited to the American century tournament. It's, It was great, man. Everything's fun until they announce your name, all your accolades, and everything's quiet.

My caddie's like, yeah, just take it over the guy in the red hat over his head. I'm like, oh, shoot, this is a little bit different than shooting a free throw. It's fun, though, man. I got a passion for it. I play all the time, me and my boys. It's fun.

Last time, I got to do better than I did last time. So my first time I had the jitters, I think I finished like 12th from last.

Had a decent first day, and after that, it was just blow up hole, you know, scared to hit people. So that was a couple years ago. I've been playing with a couple of my boys. That was the year Steph won, though. So I need to be in the top 10. top 30. I'll be happy with.

Okay. That's my, that's my boy. I was just playing with him the other day. Uh, Devante will be out there. Um, Who else? Probably Kyle Lowry. That's one of my good friends, too. I want to probably beat him. Devontae's pretty damn good, man. He's probably like a five handicap.

No, the guy that has nasty stuff, man, every time I talk to him, I say, you can't be this good at both sports. Yeah, agreed. He's pro-level at golf, so it's sick.

Yeah, it started off as golf. I got addicted to it. I was, you know, you guys know me. I'm a pretty good athlete. I was a better baseball player than basketball. So, you know, it's, you know, picking up golf was it wasn't that hard. I already knew how to swing. But it's definitely it's challenging, man. It's challenging.

I think I would have been pretty good. Obviously, um, you know, me and me and Donovan Mitchell were having this conversation. We did the little celebrity all-star game in Seattle. And, uh, We're like, how about we both retire at 32 and see which one of us will make the pros after we retire. I made a good choice, man. I can't get mad at anything I've done.

Basketball is definitely my passion and something I excel at.

Still does. Yeah, no, I mean, I've done everything from, you know, athletic training-wise of,

running jumping plyometrics i used to i used to do lunges on the football field from 100 yard lines and then do them backwards 80 backwards 60 i would hop the hashes i would i would run you know run hills with weight vests on when i was 12 you know my dad was training me like a you know a professional when i was a kid so i think i think everything helped out yeah so he's still he works you out now every once my dad's retired now that's what he says you know he said my job is to you know enjoy you enjoy enjoy his grandkids and

you know, come to games and talk a little shit. I think that's about it, you know, but, uh, he's still, uh, you know, he still gives me some workouts for sure.

I mean, the guy, the guy's a crash dummy, man. I mean, playing with him for three years, he, he's one of the smartest dudes. He's going to be a great coach when he's done. You know, when he, when he was with us in Chicago, he would, he would help lead some of our meetings. Um, and you know, him coming from LA, having that championship predigree, you know, it elevated our defense immediately. Um,

Helping guys out like me and DeMar just being gaps. And Alex, you know, Alex is a great athlete. But, you know, he'll tell you first. He's like, I'm not an elite, elite, you know, athlete. He's just all heart and IQ, man. You know, he studies film a lot. I've seen him break down dudes game. I remember how he guarded me. I always tell him I gave him 38 one day, but it was a hard 38.

But AC is one of the best defenders in the NBA. I think he should have been all-first defense many times, many times.

Every year he should have it, every year.

Everything that goes Alex's way, man, he deserves. One of the hardest working guys. You know, one of the coolest dudes. Talk about a good golfer, too. He's a little bit better than me, too. I think he competed in the American Century Tournament one time. So he's a great guy. He's one of my good friends.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going for my guys all the time. You know, AC, I want him to, you know, be able to hoist another championship. I'll see him later this summer. So, you know, if he can get another one, I mean, what a trade. You know, the upgrade that they had when Chicago traded him to OKC, man, it was an incredible trade for them.

I mean, they're a really good defensive team. I think they put that first. You know, guys that support each other are hard-nosed guys, and, you know, that's their role to go out there. You know, we understand Shea's role, but, you know, he sits in gaps. You know, he's not somebody that you're going to say is an elite defender, but, you know, he sits down when he needs to. He has really good hands.

But you have guys like Lou Dort, who, like, that's his job is to harass all game. He don't care if he shoots 10 times or two times. Same with AC. AC might get 15 points, but he'll impact the game by getting – Four steals, two blocks, a charge, three deflections. Cason Wallace is a really good defender, too. So they have specific specialist guys on their team that they really get after.

Earlier this year, it was... We played them later on, you know, right after. We played them right after the All-Star break. We gave them a pretty good run up in Sacramento. But, you know, it was a hard-fought game. But every possession, you have to make a shot or you have to really work the offense. And they're really well coached, really well coached.

they're they're a hard-nosed team but they get up and down fast they don't care if you score you take they take it out of bounds quick they you know they bring the ball you have to play fast for some I think this last year in Chicago we played them pretty well even the year before we played them we played them decently and they've had the same style of play Rick Carlisle you know hell of a coach you know Halliburton can literally you know do what he wants to with the ball and get into the paint facilitating guys he'll have a good game by not even scoring well sometimes but um

Yeah, you got to play fast versus them. I think the Knicks, you know, they are one of the slower paced teams in the NBA, you know, so it's, you know, it's a pick your battle. Essentially, you either got to pay at their pace or, you know, you can't have any turnovers. You got to get them in foul trouble.

You know, you got to make them play at your pace and it's hard to do that with guys, you know, running.

I mean, that's the new, there's a lot of guys that come into the game and start celebrating over one shot. I think that's the newer generation of guys.

If you could play one game, 36 minutes, how many points do you think you could score?

They were wide open.

Yeah, they take the ball out the net and they literally, it's a next play mentality. And they have a lot of guys out there that are hard-nosed. Like, T.J. McConnell's been a winner since he was in high school. You know, a lot of, like, he's a guy that... I played against them in college, and them hard-nosed guys, Neesmith, you know, all those guys. Siakam's come from winning.

You know, they're a good team.

I mean, Cat's one of the most skilled people in the NBA in general. It's not even crazy. I think he's a top big in the league, and he's proven that over the last seven years of his career. There's not a lot of guys you can compare him to. I think that trade for him was big time too because – I mean, I think the trade for both of them was big.

You know, Minnesota, you know, getting some more toughness with Julius Randle. You see that both were in the, you know, the conference finals. But Katzenkrupp was one of my good friends. I always root for him. It just shows how, you know, how skilled and how talented he is because, you know, any team he gets on, he can elevate.

Uh, yeah, no, it, We were pretty bad at this throughout the entire playoffs. None of you guys hit one of them, which made it slightly easier for me. Taking the congratulations back.

Oh, yeah, we were – When I got drafted, I just turned 19, you know, and then I played me and Drew were together when he got traded over, and then Cat got drafted next year. So, you know, we were really good those first three years. I think we were one of the only teams that had, like, three guys averaging 20 or more points, and we were all under 21. So, you know, good times.

Yeah, I mean, you can always think, but you never know. I think – Growing up and then seeing, you know, obviously the trajectory of each of our careers, you know, I think we needed it, you know, especially, you know, for me, like me being able to go to Chicago and, you know, have pretty much become the player that I was.

I don't think that would have happened if we all stuck together, but you never know how good of a team we could have been.

You know, I think I take everything in stride, but I think that's the beauty of basketball. Yeah.

KG liked me a lot. Me and KG sat next to each other. That's like one of my main vets. I have a specific story that's hilarious. I hope you don't get mad at this. He comes in the locker room and a couple guys get on their phone immediately. And they're looking at either stats or Twitter. I don't know. They're looking at something. And this is like one of his first, you know, first games with us.

And he's looking around. He looks next to me. He's like, Zach, they always do this shit. I say, yeah, man, you know, I don't know any different. It's my first, you know, my first time in the NBA. Gets up, grabs everybody's phone, puts in a bag. So we're not doing this shit no more. A couple extra, you know, expletives. Throws the bag outside the locker room before flips comes in.

Flip comes in the locker room, starts talking about the meeting. He holds it up. He said, no, we're not doing this shit. Nobody gets on their phone one more time. I promise you every phone is getting broken. Go ahead, flip, start the meeting. He set the tone immediately from that. You know, it was the first time we got traded over. But KG, it was incredible having those guys, him, Mo Williams.

Andre Miller, Rubio, Tayshaun Prince was on the team. We had a lot of vets. Corey Brewer, it was an exciting team. It was a mix of literally young puppies and old dogs, so it was fun.

There's no one like him, man. The demeanor he brings, the intensity, even in practice. Every practice with us, he's 40 years old with a bum knee, and he's running lines as hard as anybody. He's talking mess to guys. He's giving people hard-ass fouls in practice. I'm talking about 10 a.m. early, first scrimmage, hard playoff foul. The intensity he brought, he's one of a kind. You can't fake that.

Great point. But yeah, $5,000 free bet. I'm splitting it with a very hard-working behind-the-scenes guy, Quiggs, here. So we're going to put out a parlay probably next week around sometime. I'm excited for it.

It was great, man. It was a great experience. You know, I think I think that was for me. It was one of the first times I had like a specific role. You know, I wasn't, you know, the leading scorer of the team. You know, we had Kevin Durant. It was Jason Tatum, me, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Draymond. Like it was so many guys. Damian Lillard.

I think it was the first year I made the All-Star team, too. So, you know, we're all coming off really big years, but they need specific roles. And that was the year I just told him I was like, look, whatever I need to do to, you know, be on the court and help contribute. So I was picking up guys full court. I was like a catch-and-shoot dude. I was getting steals, getting transition.

It was probably some of the funnest, you know, basketball I ever played because, you know, everyone had a specific goal, didn't care about egos. And we came together and, you know, figured it out.

Yeah. It was right after COVID. Limited fans. And we only had like two weeks of like training camp where, you know, before other, you know, other teams had like a longer, a longer stint. You know, they put us together and we figured it out, man. So it was really cool.

I think we were like when we lost our first like first exhibition game.

It was a lot from like stun. But, you know, I think we needed that because it made it it made everybody closer.

Yeah, I mean, we scrimmaged a lot and guys were going at each other and then we got to play against the select team, which is always fun. Coming up through the USA program where the younger guys get to play against the Olympic team. I did it when they were over in Brazil. So Seeing the guys go at us, I think they won the first two quarters.

We ended up coming back and beating them, but that's what gets everything pretty much rolling in that competitive nature because without that, you're walking into a horn's nest.

Yeah, I wish I shot more. I probably could have hit like 16. It was crazy. Yeah. You could feel it? Yeah. Whenever you're guys that can score the ball and shoot, you try to figure out how to get in that zone. You know, it just happens sometimes. If it might be in the first quarter, it might be in the second, fourth, whatever it is. But you just try to find that zone and stay in it.

You know, I think you can see guys that are good three-point shooters. You know, that's how you get those runs going where, you know, you get three, four, five threes in a row or, you know, over a certain game stretch of, you know, finding a rhythm. You'll see guys hit seven threes for, like, consecutive nights because, you know, it's muscle memory at a certain point and confidence.

So once you get that going, it's easy.

Yeah. Who's also with the Pacers. I'm actually really excited for him. I'm glad that he's doing a good job over there.