Zach Lloyd

Have you heard of that product?

So he's a friend of mine.

I'm a small investor in that company.

The way he thinks about it, I knew him at his last company too.

He's building really cool AI native stuff.

So I think he's doing a great job.

It's like, get rid of the black box in Zoom.

It's like a very interesting, it just makes the product experience so much better.

So I like it.

That was it?

I can see if that's the pitch.

You're not making it the most compelling pitch.

So, I could see why maybe you passed.

Yeah.

I probably, I've like historically waited a little too long to hire people to like be leaders on the team.

So my default, like for instance, I like with someone else on the team, basically like ran our growth function at Warp for a few years.

And I think there's value to that.

Like it's better to like try and do something yourself as a founder first before hiring someone for it.

But there's also lots of people who know how to do stuff way better than I know how to do it.

And so I may have probably waited a little too long on that.