Zach Lloyd

I will say, again, from a selfish perspective, I think it's much better to be in the market for professional developers in the enterprise market for Code Gen than I do think it's being essentially the no-code code market.

I don't know which of those products is the best.

I don't really use them.

Is your web flow totally dead?

Yeah.

I think the argument for Webflow, like Webflow in particular, I don't, we used to use it, we moved off it.

Like they need to leverage the fact that they have this great hand interface for building websites.

But like, I don't think you really need that.

So I think Webflow is really, really in a ton of trouble.

Yeah.

I mean, like, again, the market is great.

So, like, the bull case on these is, like, oh, wow, anyone can build something.

That's cool.

And then I think you naturally have to ask the question of, like, okay, cool, what are they building?

And I worry that what they're building is, like, the next gen of WordPress or Squarespace or Webflow and, like...

The business case for those types of apps is not that awesome to me.

And so that's why it's like, I think you want to be, if you're in the coding market, I think it's way cooler to be in the market for building the really hard to build apps that have billions of users than someone's Shopify store.

And by the way, I think Shopify could also be big in this space eventually.

this is going to sound crazy and this is not a thing I've thought through, but like at some point, like I would like to have like some kind of like impact outside of technology, maybe in politics.

I think I would like, I don't think the world wants me in politics.