Zach Lowe

And then you get to the playoffs and their stats are, they've played in almost the exact same number of playoff games.

Wade played 172 hardens at 173.

Their stats are very, are much more similar in the playoffs and just defensively.

It's no competition.

Dwayne's a three-time all defense player.

Finals MVP, as you said, one of the greatest finals performances of all time.

Another all-time great finals performance and a loss in 2011.

Three-time champion.

I still think it's Dwayne Wade.

Despite the statistical dossier and the MVP voting, I just think the playoffs and the defense and the playoffs swing it so dramatically that I still think Dwayne Wade has, I would pick his career over Harden's.

That's all.

Yeah.

The shooting guard ones, because Jordan is Jordan and Kobe is so beloved.

And, you know, these players are, the shooting guards are like so different from each other.

Like Dwayne and James Harden are similar in some respects as like bigger playmakers or like whatever you want to call it.

Yeah.

more of a playmaker point guard, but they're like similar size, similar like physicality, totally different in some other ways, defensively three-point shoots.

And then like Jerry West, I think is just chronically underrated in all of these all-time great discussions, including this one.

I would still take Dwyane Wade, but I'm going to save the deeper dive for another day.

Last big question with Stan Van Gundy.