Zach Lowe

And you could just see everyone, as they found out, just the complete shock of how, why.

And we'll learn about it, but just base level, like,

Seemed like a great guy.

He came on my podcast once.

He was delightful.

Teammates loved him.

Dealt with a ton of injuries over the last couple years.

And whatever happened at just age 29, it's just unfathomable.

And Jason Collins, the first openly gay NBA player, active NBA player, and I believe the first openly gay U.S.

major sport professional active athlete,

He passed away from brain cancer this week.

I know you interviewed him, I think, when he came out, and then he played a little bit for the Nets after that.

Obviously, thoughts to the Clark and Collins families.

Jaron, his twin brother, is a coach in the league now.

Any I mean, these are things that are just like, what what am I going to say?

Right.

But you you you at least like had to sit down with an interview with Jason when he came out reflecting on like what this meant as a sort of a trailblazer.

Yeah, well said.

And, you know, I don't know what else to even say.

It's all terrible.