Zach Lowe

That's all coming up next on a special finals San Antonio podcast row edition of the Zach Lowe Show.

All right, live from what they're apparently calling Podcast Row at the NBA Finals in San Antonio, one of the all-time great Hall of Famer, one of the all-time great defensive players, a formative character in my NBA upbringing, Gary Payton, how are you?

Defensive player of the year, one of the best defenders of all time.

The two main offensive cogs on these two teams could not be any more different than they are.

If you had to switch on to Victor Wembanyama, what would you prime Gary Payton do to try to guard him on a switch?

Was there anyone on the flip side who, from your time, was like, if anybody, most similar to Jalen Brunson in terms of trying to time up their footwork, old school game?

I mean, you guarded a lot of great guards.

You had playoff battles with John Stockton over and over again.

Is there anyone that Brunson reminds you of?

And what are the challenges of guarding him?

Yeah, what do you think of that?

What do you think of the pushing off?

That's been a big debate in the last six months.

All right, let's talk finals, playoff history, Gary Payton.

96 finals, Sonics, Bulls.

The famous stories at midway through the series.

I think you're already down 3-0 maybe.

3-0.

you go to George Carr and you're like, hey, man, it's about freaking time.

Just let me guard Michael.