Zoë Grünewald

But as he went on, he warmed up. And there were moments where I think he spoke with quite a lot of passion.

But as he went on, he warmed up. And there were moments where I think he spoke with quite a lot of passion.

Not really. I think he is... practical, pragmatic, and sort of like a boring public service. It's pretty dull, but that's kind of part of his appeal. The problem is when you are trying to keep the country with you for a decade, that's what they want, a decade of national renewal, you do have to tell a bit of a story and you do have to inspire them and excite them.

Not really. I think he is... practical, pragmatic, and sort of like a boring public service. It's pretty dull, but that's kind of part of his appeal. The problem is when you are trying to keep the country with you for a decade, that's what they want, a decade of national renewal, you do have to tell a bit of a story and you do have to inspire them and excite them.

And I think Labour's depending a lot on delivery. They just want to be able to say in five years' time when the public go back to vote, look at all these things we've achieved.

And I think Labour's depending a lot on delivery. They just want to be able to say in five years' time when the public go back to vote, look at all these things we've achieved.

That's great. But is it enough? You know, you look at the US, you look at Biden, Biden actually delivered quite a lot, but he's still, you know, still in trouble. So it's not just delivery. It's also a time where, you know, the country doesn't trust politicians and is quite divided on certain issues.

That's great. But is it enough? You know, you look at the US, you look at Biden, Biden actually delivered quite a lot, but he's still, you know, still in trouble. So it's not just delivery. It's also a time where, you know, the country doesn't trust politicians and is quite divided on certain issues.

I think you need to offer a little bit more than just, look, there are, you know, cranes in the sky and planning reform and, you know, You know, it has to be a little bit more, I think, for the average person to feel that their changes are materially different.

I think you need to offer a little bit more than just, look, there are, you know, cranes in the sky and planning reform and, you know, You know, it has to be a little bit more, I think, for the average person to feel that their changes are materially different.

it was almost as if he was trying to reframe the immigration debate as a kind of left-wing argument against free markets. So, you know, he made this argument that net migration is too high and that, you know, he was saying it's a legitimate thing for people to think. And it was funny, he kind of pointed to

it was almost as if he was trying to reframe the immigration debate as a kind of left-wing argument against free markets. So, you know, he made this argument that net migration is too high and that, you know, he was saying it's a legitimate thing for people to think. And it was funny, he kind of pointed to

sort of Boris Johnson years and the sort of last five years of Tory governance, where net migration figures really went up because they relaxed rules on visas. And he was basically suggesting that the Tories let the market define policy and politics. And actually, it's more sort of left wing, it's more statist to have a government that wants to kind of control its borders.

sort of Boris Johnson years and the sort of last five years of Tory governance, where net migration figures really went up because they relaxed rules on visas. And he was basically suggesting that the Tories let the market define policy and politics. And actually, it's more sort of left wing, it's more statist to have a government that wants to kind of control its borders.

I think what was good was that he made the case for asylum. You know, he said, if you want tighter laws on immigration, you have to accept that there are going to be people here who have legitimate claims to asylum and should have those accepted.

I think what was good was that he made the case for asylum. You know, he said, if you want tighter laws on immigration, you have to accept that there are going to be people here who have legitimate claims to asylum and should have those accepted.

And I think that almost made me wonder if, you know, we could see something like safe and legal routes coming eventually, because it was actually a fairly assertive case for asylum where, you know, actually the party had been quite scared to even talk about that before.

And I think that almost made me wonder if, you know, we could see something like safe and legal routes coming eventually, because it was actually a fairly assertive case for asylum where, you know, actually the party had been quite scared to even talk about that before.

But I think what would have been nice if he'd made a stronger case for the benefits of immigration that we've seen, you know, how it has enriched the country culturally, how it's enriched the country economically.

But I think what would have been nice if he'd made a stronger case for the benefits of immigration that we've seen, you know, how it has enriched the country culturally, how it's enriched the country economically.