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5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce

The Piranha's Next Bite

15 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is Ryan Garner's upcoming fight about?

0.031 - 25.701 Max Crocombe

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29.967 - 48.482 Steve Bunce

This is Five Live Boxing. It's been a while, but Tyson Fury is back in the USA. He was a guest of the president at the White House. That's Dana White, the president, the Zuffer Boss. Is Tyson Fury jumping ship? Hey, we don't know. But if I do know, I will let you know. That's a fact.

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48.462 - 72.742 Steve Bunce

Now that was Sunday night and on Saturday night, closer to home in Manchester, Tyson Fury was ringside to watch his little brother give away £110 to the man mounting Eddie Hall. Now Eddie was once the world's strongest man. How about that? Tommy won comfortably over six rounds. Now in the real boxing world, Bam Rodriguez, Barry Jones is number one.

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72.762 - 101.729 Steve Bunce

He's the president of the Chiswick Fan Club of Bam Rodriguez. He moved to 24 and 0 with six round stoppage and it was a classic finish. Classic Bam of Antonio Vargas in Arizona. Now, all fun events in their very own way. But I'm going to concentrate on a fairy tale on the south coast. Ryan Garner fighting in his beloved St. Mary's, a stadium fight in June. That's a dream.

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101.749 - 135.938 Steve Bunce

That's on Saturday night against Italy's Michael Magnesi. Now it's for the WBC Interim Super Featherweight title. It's a real fight, a dream fight. All part of boxing's very rich and often absurd tapestry. Who invents these weekends? I'm Steve Bunce and this is 5 Live Boxing. Ryan, I like this gym. It was hard to find, but it's okay. It was hard to find. The taxi drivers weren't sure.

136.779 - 153.225 Steve Bunce

The first thing that struck me, Ryan, is that you're going to be fighting outdoors at your beloved Southampton ground. And the ground is no more than 100 metres from where we're sitting. Yeah. I mean, do you wander past it every day? Can you ever drive past it and not look at it?

153.205 - 168.632 Ryan Garner

Nah, to be fair, every day normally, well, recently, when we finish training, we normally go over to the Dell, which is joint to the stadium, for lunch anyway. So we're always at the stadium pretty much every day at the moment. And like I said, driving past it on the way home, just seeing it every day, mate, it's still surreal.

168.612 - 186.387 Steve Bunce

Because Josh Warrington, before he had his big fights, when he actually fought, obviously, at Elephant Road, massive Leeds fan, he used to drive past every night after training and just look at it, literally. And he used to say, he used to visualise walking from the changing rooms up the tunnel and across the pitch. Have you got to that stage yet? Have you done that yet?

186.407 - 205.114 Ryan Garner

Have you been out on the pitch? Yeah, I've been out... I think the club have been really, really well. Every time I've won a new title or something, they've got me out on the pitch at half-time. And even, like you say, in the build-up to here, when I went there for the FA Cup quarter-finals, I was walking up there and I was waving the flag with Mark Dennis.

Chapter 2: How has Ryan Garner's journey shaped his boxing career?

314.356 - 323.507 Steve Bunce

You literally make yourself a cup of tea, put the milk back in the fridge, close the fridge, check all the windows are closed, make sure the terrapins are okay, the dog's okay, then you walk to the venue.

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323.527 - 329.915 Ryan Garner

I could always have my warm-up here and then walk over from the gym where I train every day and then walk over to the stadium and then get scrapping.

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329.935 - 336.302 Steve Bunce

That would be good. I know we're making light of it, but it is a real fight and he is a real opponent and that's important.

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336.282 - 353.146 Ryan Garner

Of course, yeah. Like you say, at this level now, no fight's going to be easy. He's WBC number one for a reason. Obviously, I'm number two now. He's been in there against world-class operators. He's held his own. He took a catchy distance to give him a good fight. So, listen, I'm under no illusion it's going to be a very, very tough fight.

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353.286 - 358.493 Ryan Garner

But I know the Ryan Garner, the best Ryan Garner, when he turns up, he beats anybody in the division.

359.03 - 375.256 Steve Bunce

Now, it seems like forever ago, 10 years you made your debut. In fact, you know it's the same day, don't you? 20th of June. Your debut was 20th of June. And your fight's 20th of June. I didn't even know that. Luckily, I was stranded at Southampton Central for an hour waiting for a taxi. So I just checked that. I'm a big believer in everything that happens for a reason.

375.276 - 378.38 Ryan Garner

And that's meant to be. That's the same night. Everything's going to pan out well.

378.401 - 397.447 Steve Bunce

So you're 18 years of age then. It was a Box Nation show. I forget where it was. York Hall or something like that. Yeah, York Hall. Yeah, York Hall. Now, I can remember it because I remember Barry Jones was praising you and all praising you because, you know, you were exciting. That 18-year-old Ryan Garner, you know where I'm going with this, that just seems like forever ago, doesn't it?

397.847 - 414.248 Steve Bunce

I mean, if I look at you, you look the same. You're still the kind of... You're still Ryan Garner. A little bit more bumfluff on my face. Yeah, maybe a little. He's just looking a bit, oh, yeah, finally get the bumfluff. It's taken you 10 years to get there. Well done, son. No, but what I mean is it's been a journey, hasn't it? And that kid then...

Chapter 3: What challenges has Ryan faced throughout his boxing career?

592.637 - 606.302 Ryan Garner

Most managers, trainers, cutmen, promoters, they would have washed their hands of me years ago. But luckily, I've got great people around me. They stuck with me. And if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be in this position now and becoming Swampton's first ever world champion and making history.

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606.282 - 620.583 Steve Bunce

I mean, there's a four and a half year period there where you have just the four fights when you're young. I mean, I know you were suspended for the ball because that was the weigh-in situation. Two weigh-ins. Was that because you were just making weight wrong?

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620.744 - 634.862 Ryan Garner

Yeah, like I say, I'm not in spirits now, but I was just doing the wrong things. I was going out drinking two weeks before a fight or something. Two weeks before a fight, I was going out drinking. Do you know what I mean? Wayne, he took me away to Tenerife once because I was always going out and I had a fight coming. So he took me to Tenerife for three weeks.

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635.323 - 641.969 Ryan Garner

As soon as I got back from Tenerife, I went out with my mates to the pub. It's just stupid young decisions.

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641.989 - 663.932 Steve Bunce

In all fairness, kids that lose their lives at 18, which is what you do, you lost your social life at 18 because you've become a pro. And you can't do, obviously at 18 you can do anything, but you know at 24 you can't do it. You've got to choose one. So many, we lost a lot of fighters over the years, right, who didn't go on to fulfill their dreams. That's what I mean.

663.993 - 666.716 Steve Bunce

I didn't want to be one of them ones that could have, should have, would have.

666.776 - 680.012 Ryan Garner

Because it's easier to mess up than it is to stay straight sometimes. Of course it is, yeah. That's what I mean. I didn't want to be one of them. I knew what I was capable of, what obviously I won a lot in amateurs, and I didn't want to let a lot of people down. I didn't want to...

679.992 - 698.423 Ryan Garner

prove people right if you know what I mean because there was a lot of people don't worry about him he'll get on it we'll lose him there's a lot of people who thought ah he's a waste of space he's going to go down the wrong path do you know what I mean so I wanted in the back of my head I wanted to prove them wrong as well as prove myself right that I could do it so it's just kind of a mix of things

698.403 - 713.23 Steve Bunce

But it's a big pull, especially if you're a pool of friends. I use that word loosely. A pool of friends when you're 16, 17, 18, 19 are guys that go out a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. It's easier said than done. Yeah, of course, yeah. Don't get me wrong.

Chapter 4: How does Ryan Garner handle pressure before a fight?

850.172 - 860.288 Ryan Garner

Yeah, he keeps pulling me back and saying, come on, you're not done yet. You've got loads to achieve. And hopefully, June 20th, he'll be saying to me, it was all worth it, mate. But the thing is now...

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860.858 - 874.739 Steve Bunce

you can really see what might be a so-called finish line. You win this version, and then it's this fight, then it's possibly this fight. You know, the conversations you're having with Frank Warren, all the private conversations. You're not three fights away now.

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874.939 - 876.641 Ryan Garner

No, one fight. You're one fight.

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876.722 - 881.248 Steve Bunce

And that's different. One fight in that building, we can see just out through that, literally see it.

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881.268 - 895.304 Ryan Garner

If that building wasn't there, we'd be able to see it. Yeah, like I say, This is what dreams are made of. We've been talking about it for a very long time. Like I said, I said in an interview the other day, I bumped into someone in the shop the other day and they said, it's actually mental. He's like, you've been saying about it for years, but do you know what I mean?

895.365 - 913.965 Ryan Garner

That's just like, you just talk about it. A lot of people say a lot of stuff. It never happens. But you've been talking about it. And it's actually happening now. It's a bit mental. It's weird. Never been a boxing event there ever. And it's just... Yeah, it's just like you said, I'm so close now. After this one fight, I got one fight, I become interim world champion.

914.505 - 921.753 Ryan Garner

And then you get the shots at the Oshaki Fosters, the big Americans, the Kikachis. You're there then. Your life changes forever. So I just got to get through this one.

921.973 - 934.867 Steve Bunce

And all of that stuff, all of those problems you've had, all of the hardships, all of the breaks from the boxing, all of those stacking shelves, what they also do, if you survive them, is they make you stronger.

935.047 - 954.436 Ryan Garner

Yeah, like you say... when you get over stuff like that, it makes you stronger, it makes you more determined. We say to everyone, I say to everyone, when I retire from boxing, mate, I can write a book from as tall as me to the floor, mate, the amount of stories I've got, or I'm looking forward to maybe a documentary or something about my career and my life.

Chapter 5: What does Ryan think about fighting in front of a home crowd?

1106.223 - 1117.185 Ryan Garner

Yeah, even now before June 20th, my life's changed. Over the last two, three years, I've become like... In Southampton, like, it's a bit mental, like, I'm running down the road, you get beeps left, right and centre.

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1117.205 - 1119.15 Steve Bunce

It's the old Rocky stuff. Yeah, that's what I mean.

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1119.31 - 1134.962 Ryan Garner

That gives you motivation. So you're halfway through it, you're like, you get a beep next to you, you know, you've got a little surge of energy, you've got a surge of energy. That's waiting in a car. Yeah, but even on water... Dream me up. But even when I'm walking around the city, you've got people asking for photos. A lot of people know you, do you know what I mean? Yeah.

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1134.982 - 1151.467 Ryan Garner

And the relationship I've got with the club, a young me would never imagine how we can go over to the club whenever. We're good friends with the CEO, good friends with players, ex-players, like James Beattie, ex-Saints Legend, become a friend. I was around there watching the Champions League final last Saturday. That's what I mean. Five years ago.

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1151.487 - 1152.308 Steve Bunce

You're living in dreamland.

1152.348 - 1160.957 Ryan Garner

Yeah, five years ago. Go on, that's in dreamland. That's it, mate. I am. Honestly, that's what I mean. It is mental. Five years ago, I'd never think anything this is possible. And it is.

1160.977 - 1168.585 Steve Bunce

And I'm lucky. So one day, about 12 years ago, you had a pitch with me at your call. Now you're hanging out with James B. You went to Arsenal in the Champions League final.

1168.645 - 1169.726 Ryan Garner

In a lovely, nice house.

1169.747 - 1172.589 Steve Bunce

Oh, it's flipping. It's mental, yeah.

Chapter 6: How has Ryan's training evolved over the years?

1330.066 - 1336.753 Ryan Garner

I wasn't really as dedicated as I am now. Eating rubbish. Yeah, eating rubbish. Just everything. Yeah. Living a builder's lifestyle.

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1336.733 - 1339.657 Steve Bunce

Yeah, well, leading a survivor's lifestyle.

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1339.677 - 1341.66 Ryan Garner

Yeah, yeah, just your average bloke or whatever.

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1341.74 - 1351.634 Steve Bunce

Have you, obviously, you know, you're still fighting at the moment, but have you thought about, at some point, you know, tutoring or helping young boxers?

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Yeah.

1351.914 - 1354.378 Steve Bunce

Because, you know, there isn't a system in place.

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No.

1354.738 - 1372.121 Steve Bunce

So if you're a young fighter... If I'm a 70, 80-year-old fighter and I've had a bit of a good amateur career and I've turned pro and I'm being pulled left, right and centre, there's no one I can talk to. The ball don't have a hotline. No, no, no. There's no boxer's hotline. I just wondered, you know, if fighters approached you, would that be something you'd be interested in? Yeah, definitely.

1372.141 - 1373.062 Steve Bunce

Sharing your experience?

Chapter 7: What role do teammates and coaches play in Ryan's success?

1569.443 - 1581.373 Steve Bunce

Fighters that have been in all those hard fights, they were great. So what's it going to be like on June 20? I know you're not visualising it yet, you're not imagining it yet. What's it going to be like?

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1581.353 - 1598.636 Ryan Garner

It's going to be something else. I'm just picturing everyone there, as I said, when I went to watch the Arsenal game versus Saints in the FA Cup quarter-finals, when the Pirates were going off and the Fingies were going off. It was a mental atmosphere. And I just keep visualising that, me walking out, Pirates going, everyone singing, I win the Saints, and then Garner, the Piranha.

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1598.917 - 1600.659 Ryan Garner

And Michael Magnesi in the wing, right?

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1600.699 - 1603.323 Steve Bunce

Yeah. WBC interim title up for grabs.

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1603.343 - 1611.855 Ryan Garner

And it's just, that's what dreams are made of. And I know the way I'm feeling in the gym, how I'm feeling, that... there's nothing that's going to stop me from winning this fight. Nothing.

1611.915 - 1614.078 Steve Bunce

You're a different man, aren't you now? Yeah.

1614.098 - 1615.339 Ryan Garner

You're not a boy anymore, are you?

1615.359 - 1618.904 Steve Bunce

No, I like to think I'm a bit of a man, mate. I think you've grown up during the interview. Yeah, yeah, I do.

1618.924 - 1621.728 Ryan Garner

From the start to the end, mate, I'm getting more mature by the end of it.

Chapter 8: What does Ryan envision for his future in boxing?

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This is Sporting Giants, Messi v Ronaldo. Listen first on BBC Sounds. Tapahtuipa kerran, ettƤ pessimisti, optimisti ja saletisti grillasivat. Ja niinhƤn siinƤ kƤvi, ettƤ saletisti onnistui. Ikea on nyt kesƤale. Tee edullisia kesƤlƶitƤjƤ. Ale on voimassa 5. heinƤkuuta asti. Ikea. Kotona kƤy kaikki.

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