Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey everyone, Rob here.
Chapter 2: What defines a dream job according to Benjamin Todd?
Today on the podcast feed, we've got something a little different from our usual fare.
Chapter 3: Where do people commonly go wrong in their career choices?
What you're about to hear is the first chapter of our glorious new book, 80,000 Hours, How to Have a Fulfilling Career That Does Good, written and also narrated by my longtime colleague, Benjamin Todd. I guess a lot of listeners, especially the new ones, they won't know this, but 80,000 Hours has actually been running since 2012. I'm getting old.
And since then, we've been trying to do research and provide advice to help everyone have a much larger social impact with the work that they do, while simultaneously having a life that is really fun and fulfilling. And this book is the single most developed expression of the many, many ideas that we've been cooking up and honing since then.
Chapter one here takes on follow your passion, probably the single most repeated piece of career advice in our modern individualistic era. And drawing on decades of research takes it absolutely to pieces. And Ben then lays out what actually does predict job satisfaction. It's not especially income, though it's not totally not income at either.
It's not especially low stress and it's not pursuing what you're already excited about either exactly. And he lands on a very different short slogan of career advice from follow your passion. A few facts coming up. A meta-analysis of over 100 studies found that the correlation between interest, job fit, and job satisfaction is only about 0.19, so really pretty low.
Chapter 4: What should you really aim for in a fulfilling career?
90% of Canadian students said that their greatest passion was in music, art, or sport, but apparently only 3% of Canadian jobs are in one of those three fields. And perversely, senior leaders of difficult projects, they apparently have lower stress than the people they manage. I guess not everyone will be shocked by that, but I was a little bit surprised by that.
but I won't steal all of Ben's thunder. If you like what you hear in this one, you can order the book online by searching for 80,000 hours book or go to 80,000hours.org slash book or look for it on Amazon, Audible, wherever you get books. All right, here's Ben.
Everyone wants to find a dream job that's enjoyable and meaningful, but what does that actually mean? Some people imagine that the answer will come to them in a flash of insight, while others think that what matters is that their dream job is easy and well-paid.
Chapter 5: Why is the advice to 'follow your passion' misleading?
At 80,000 Hours, we've reviewed three decades of research into what makes for a satisfying career, drawing on hundreds of studies, and didn't find much evidence for either conclusion. Instead, we found five key ingredients of a dream job. They don't include income, and nor are they as simple as following your passion.
Chapter 6: How can you practically apply these insights to your career?
Let's start with where we go wrong. For most of history, people tended to do the same things as their parents. Then the focus moved towards getting a stable job that would let you buy a house and a car. But my generation grew up with different advice. If you want a fulfilling career, follow your passion. From around 2005, this became a defining focus of career advice.
The subtext is that finding a great career depends on identifying your greatest interest, your passion, and pursuing it full-time. It's an attractive message. Just commit to what you most enjoy and you'll have a fulfilling career. And when we look at successful people, they are often passionate about what they do. We're also fans of being passionate about your work.
As we'll discuss shortly, intrinsically motivating work makes people a lot happier than a fat paycheck. However, there are three main ways that follow your passion can be misleading advice. The first is that many people don't feel like they have a passion that could be relevant to their career.
Telling them to follow their passion at best doesn't get them anywhere, and at worst makes them feel inadequate and demotivated. Second, this advice suggests that passion is all you need. But if a basketball fan works with awful colleagues, receives unfair pay, or finds the tasks they're doing meaningless, they're still going to dislike their job, even if they work for the NBA.
Likewise, someone passionate about acting, but who ends up 40 and unemployed, might have some regrets. In fact, following your passion can make it harder to secure the ingredients we'll argue are most crucial for being satisfied with your job, because the areas you're passionate about are likely to be the most competitive ones.
A survey of 500 Canadian students showed that their top passions were dance and ice hockey. Almost 90% said their greatest passion involved either music, art or sport. But census data collected around the same time shows that under 3% of Canadian jobs were in sport or the arts. So even if only 1 in 10 of those students followed their passion, the majority would fail.
Moreover, even if you succeed in getting a job, researchers have found that the degree of match between your interests and your job correlates only weakly with job satisfaction. The third problem is that telling people to focus on what they're already passionate about can make them needlessly limit their options.
If you're passionate about literature, it's easy to think that you must become a writer to have a satisfying career. But in fact, there are probably many other jobs that could satisfy you, so long as they're fulfilling in other ways. Moreover, our interests change over time, and more than we expect.
Think back to what you were most interested in five years ago, and you'll probably find it's pretty different from what you're interested in today. This means your interests are not in a specially stable basis for career planning.
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Chapter 7: What are the five key ingredients of a fulfilling job?
The best-selling careers book of all time, What Colour Is Your Parachute?, recommends exactly that. The hope is that, deep down, people know what they really want. But they don't, or at least not particularly well. You can probably think of times in your own life when you're excited about a holiday or a party, only to find that when it actually happened, it was just okay.
In recent decades, research has shown how common this is. We're not always great at predicting what will make us happiest, and we often don't realize quite how bad we are. It turns out we're even bad at remembering how enjoyable different experiences were, let alone predicting them.
A meta-analysis of over 50 studies found we remember experiences by how enjoyable they were at their peak, or at their ending, rather than how enjoyable we'd say they were at the time. In a classic study, people rated a colonoscopy as less painful if it ended less painfully, even if the pain lasted longer.
As Dan Gilbert, one of the world's leading experts on happiness, puts it, the fact that we often judge the pleasure of an experience by its ending can cause us to make some curious choices. This means we can't simply trust our intuitions when trying to figure out what will satisfy us most. We need a more systematic way of working out which job is best.
Chapter 8: How does stress impact job satisfaction?
What might a more systematic approach look like? It's tempting to assume that your dream job will meet two supposedly appealing criteria, that it'll be easy and well-paid. This is implicit in a lot of mainstream career advice. CareerCast provides one of the leading career rankings in the US. The first four criteria they use to rank careers are, is it unstressful? Is there good work-life balance?
Is there high job security? Is it highly paid? Essentially, less demanding, secure, high-paid jobs are rated more highly. Based on these criteria, the number one job turned out to be actuary. That is, someone who uses statistics to measure and manage risks in the insurance industry.
This is the same answer they gave back in 2015 when I first wrote about their list, and it's been close to the top ever since. Would we all be happier if we retrained as actuaries? It's true that actuaries are more satisfied with their job than average, but they're not among the most satisfied. And only 36% say their work is meaningful.
This shows that the factors used by career cast don't capture everything. In fact, plenty of evidence suggests that money and avoiding stress may even be counterproductive to focus on. Let's start with money. Don't chase the money. It's a cliche to say that money can't buy happiness. But better pay is often people's top priority when looking for a new job.
When people are asked what would most improve the quality of their lives, the most common answer is more money. Which side is right? As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle. After reviewing the best studies we could find on this question, we found that money does make you happy, but only a little.
In a huge survey in the United States, respondents were asked to rate how satisfied they were with their lives on a scale from 1 to 10. It was found that an increase in pre-tax income from $40,000 to $80,000 was only associated with an increase in life satisfaction from about 6.5 to 7 out of 10. Gaining another half point requires another doubling to $160,000.
That's a lot of extra income for a small improvement. This is hardly surprising. We all know people who've gone into high-earning jobs and ended up miserable. Your expenses creep up, and you soon come to take your salary for granted. At the same time, you're working longer hours, eating into time with friends and family. But even this might be overstating the importance of money.
If we look at day-to-day mood, income appears to be even less important. The same study asked people at different salary levels whether they reported feeling happy yesterday, which the researchers called positive affect. This seemed to flatline at an income of about $75,000. The picture is similar if we look at the fraction who reported being not blue or stress-free yesterday.
In fact, people got more stressed as incomes increased. Admittedly, this debate is far from over. While the data shows that positive effect goes completely flat around $75,000, a more recent study from 2021 found that it actually continues to rise. It's just that it rises very slowly, and more slowly than life satisfaction.
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