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90 Miles from Needles: the Desert Protection Podcast

S4E40: The Battle for the San Rafael Valley

31 Oct 2025

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About the Guest: Andrea Hoerr is a committed environmental advocate working with Save the Scenic Santa Ritas and Great Old Broads for Wilderness in Tucson, Arizona. Her work involves fighting against environmentally detrimental projects, such as huge mining operations and the development of border walls in biodiverse regions. Andrea, also known as Dre, uses her expertise as an Arizona Master Naturalist to engage in preserving wilderness areas and fostering grassroots efforts for environmental conservation. Episode Summary: In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke engages with Andrea Hoerr, a fervent activist for desert conservation and biodiversity protection. Hoerr highlights the ecological threats posed by the potential construction of a 27-mile border wall through the San Rafael Valley in Southern Arizona. The episode covers the rich biodiversity of the region, including its status as a biodiversity hotspot and migration corridor for a variety of species. The conversation dives deep into the importance of the San Rafael Valley's grasslands, shedding light on the impending consequences of border wall construction, such as disrupted animal migration, waterway destruction, and habitat fragmentation. Hoerr underscores the collective resistance against these developments and invites listeners to a peaceful rally on November 15 aimed at raising awareness and protecting the valley. By presenting comprehensive anecdotes and first-hand experiences, this episode serves as a powerful call to action for greater environmental advocacy. Key Takeaways: The San Rafael Valley in Southern Arizona is a critical biodiversity hotspot, threatened by a proposed 27-mile border wall. Andrea Hoerr and her fellow activists are organizing a rally on November 15th to raise awareness about the ecological impacts of the border wall. The proposed wall will disrupt animal migration corridors, hamper natural waterways, and result in habitat fragmentation. Biodiversity is vital not only to the environment but also to national security, as recognized by various institutions, including the military. Engaging with and bearing witness to the land helps solidify community commitment to environmental conservation efforts. Notable Quotes: "Biodiversity is important to the health and well-being of not only humans, but all the 10 million species that are interconnected." "We acted as if we can do whatever we want without any concern for the repercussions." "You cannot really grasp the magnitude of what's happening here until you get there, until you bear witness for yourself." "Art, as you know, is such an important way to reach people." "We choose to try not to paint everyone with a broad brush. There’s a lot more hearts and minds that can be won over." Resources: Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Great Old Broads for Wilderness Instagram: Rally for the Valley Andrea Hoerr on Bluesky Website: Border Wall Resistance Tune in to the full episode for an inspiring and detailed exploration of the San Rafael Valley, its invaluable ecology, and the community efforts to protect it. Stay connected for more stories and insights from "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast." Podcast episode artwork courtesy Sky Island Alliance.  Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donateSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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