A HOP Podcast (With No Name)
Episodes
Episode 77 - Defining HOP - Organizational Psychology
18 Mar 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We moving on from Complexity science and looking at the role of Organizational Psychology in HOP.
Episode 76 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 5)
25 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The (thrilling?) conclusion to our Complexity discussion. We do some live operational learning role play about Andy's morning and learn about the ...
Episode 75 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 4)
11 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We attempt multiple ways of operational learning using Andy's morning to show how even best intentions cannot makeup for linear thinking.
Episode 74 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 3)
28 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
The complexity discussion continued! This one includes a story of Andy and Matt operationally learning about normal (but not common) work.
Episode 73 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 2)
14 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our complexity discussion and get into some tangible examples.
Episode 72 - Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!
17 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We're taking a couple of weeks off and will be back with our regularly scheduled episodes on 1/14/2026
Episode 71 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 1)
03 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We're starting a new mini-series around how we define "what HOP is" and the 3 key elements that differentiate from other practices. First ...
Episode 70 - Defining your problem without knowing the solution
19 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We explore a challenge that seems to impact all of the places we visit - defining a problem when a perfect solution does not exist.
Episode 69 - Bloom's Taxonomy and Training
05 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss how Bloom's Taxonomy highlights a need for change in how HOP learners apply the principles (and beyond).
Episode 68 - The Accountability Conundrum
22 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss how changing the way we view discipline as a way to drive accountability does not mean that we lower expectations of our teams or the peopl...
Episode 67 - Getting Unstuck
08 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss what it's like to constantly push for change in an organization that is set in its ways. Also, there may be a poem released at some poi...
Episode 66 - When do I know enough about HOP to start implementation?
24 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We respond to a listener question about "How do I know that I know enough about HOP to start applying it at work".Andy's recommendations:(...
Episode 65 - Where do we go from here?
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We share some ideas we have for future episodes, but ask for you to give us direction. Let us know what you'd like us to focus on.
Episode 64 - Operationally learning with a 5 year old
27 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andy is often asked how HOP and Operational Learning can be used in parenthood. So with her oldest daughter's first day of school tomorrow, we dec...
Episode 63 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 4 - all accidents are preventable)
13 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Well, we decided to end this mini-series with a big one. Andy argues that all accidents are not preventable and what we should be doing about.
Episode 62 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 3 - cardinal rules)
30 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our argument/counterargument series with point 3 - We cannot tolerate exceptions to cardinal rules.
Episode 61 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 2 - accountability)
16 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability.
Episode 60 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 1)
02 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (...
Episode 59 - An argument against HOP
18 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo.
Episode 58 - The gap between what leaders see and what we hear
04 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the real...
Episode 57 - Andy goes back to (imaginary) work
21 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differen...
Episode 56 - Something Very Obvious (HOP used in conversation)
07 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP".
Episode 55 - What it could look like 5-10 years after implementation
23 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP.
Episode 54 - You've decided to "do HOP" - The "site pilot" example
09 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites de...
Episode 53 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what? (part 2)
26 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. Link for paper re...
Episode 52 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what?
12 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action.
Episode 51 - The tough question before you start HOP
26 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization.
Episode 50 - A Peak Behind The Podcast
12 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective.
Episode 49 - A HOP Transformation: Andy and Matt's recap
29 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron.
Episode 48 - A HOP Transformation: The Wrap-up
15 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development.
Episode 47 - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change (Part 2)
01 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together.
Episode 46 - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change
18 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron. This time we focus on the details of what had to change both personally and as a business for the HOP ...
Episode 45 - A HOP Transformation: The Shift In Thought
04 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We continue our story with Erik and Ron - moving onto what it was like to shift focus from safety metrics (like TRIR) to prioritizing real human safet...
Episode 44 - A HOP Transformation: The Wake-up Call
20 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We welcome guests Erik (former CEO at Aera Energy) and Ron (Former HSE Manager at Aera Energy) for a mini-series on what it was like to go through a H...
Episode 43 - Shifting Blame (part 2)
06 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We finish the story of how Andy navigates her own frustration and blame when working with some leaders.
Episode 42 - Shifting Blame
23 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We take a listeners question on how to help people who have started practicing HOP but are struggling with blame shifting from those doing the work to...
Episode 41 - What to do between operational learning and implementing your "big" solution
09 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We wrap up the story from episode 40 and discuss how you can bridge the gap from completing operational learning to implementing a solution that may t...
Episode 40 - An approach comparison
25 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss different ways you can approach seeing someone break a rule and why going in the HOP direction can increase accountability.
Episode 39 - Do we feel the extra effort is worth it?
11 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and Matt discuss what HOP means to them inside and outside of work. Also, do we feel it is really worth all the extra effort and energy? (spoile...
Episode 38 - How HOP can be described and applied outside of work
28 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We use two (hopefully helpful) analogies to describe what we mean when we say "HOP is not a program". Andrea shares a personal story with her ...
Episode 37 - Resilient Design (part 2)
14 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andy finishes her "glove story" and shares how she came to understand what "capacity to fail safely" meant.
Episode 36 - Resilient design in action
31 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andy shares her personal story of understanding what it means to "design differently" in HOP and how we can build more resilient systems.
Episode 35 - Thinking, Learning, and Designing Differently
17 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We break down how we explain what HOP is and what happens if we change the way we think.
Episode 34 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 4)
03 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The (thrilling) conclusion to Andy's list of behaviors she changed while working at a large organization after learning about HOP.
Episode 33 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 3)
19 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andrea continues sharing her personal examples of when she individually "did HOP" while at a large organization.
Episode 32 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 2)
05 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We continue with Andrea's examples of behaviors she changed while working at a large organizations in a safety role.
Episode 31 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP"
22 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andrea shares how she started putting HOP intro action while in an individual contributor role.
Episode 30 - What to do with the "inexperienced workforce"
08 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The new generations of workers is not going anywhere, so we revisit the topic of episode 23 (based on listener questions) and add more to the discussi...
Episode 29 - What to do when your big ticket solution from Operational Learning gets shot down
24 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss a recent question we were asked around how to move forward after the biggest (and likely most expensive) solution from your operational lea...
Episode 28 - HOP outside of work
10 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andrea shares a difficult situation she is navigating and how what she has learned from HOP influences her life outside of work.
Episode 27 - "HOP is adding too much extra work" / A case for HOP
27 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can pu...
Episode 26 - "I like HOP, but our recent incident was too severe and we need to return to basics" / A case for HOP
13 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to...
Episode 25 - "We pay people to follow the rules" / A case for HOP
28 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss the common objection around "rules" and the role they play in keeping people safe. As you might expect, it leads us back to the con...
Episode 24 - "But I fundamentally believe all accidents are preventable" / A case for HOP
14 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "not all accid...
Episode 23 - "Our workforce is too inexperienced and they keep making mistakes" / A case for HOP
31 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reali...
Episode 22 - " But at the end of the day I still have to answer to regulators and our legal team" / A case for HOP
17 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.
Episode 21 - "If my injury rate won't improve then why should I bother?" / A case for HOP
03 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.
Episode 20 - "We don't have the time to make this change" / A business case for HOP
20 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to ...
Episode 19 - How can an organization adopt HOP?
06 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on ...
Episode 18 - Performance Modes and Mitigation Defenses
22 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Andy starts with a story around how we respond to an incident without considering what performance mode(s) the people executing the task are in. From ...
Episode 17 - Performance Modes
08 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Let's talk about Performance Modes. What are they and how do they fit into our view of work?
Episode 16 - Operational Learning (part 6)
25 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.
Episode 15 - Operational Learning (part 5)
11 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We define the problems from episode 14's operational learning session and discuss what goes into properly crafting problem statements.
Episode 14 - Operational Learning (part 4)
27 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We talk through how we create the conditions for candor while we're working with different organizations. From there, Andy practices some operatio...
Episode 13 - Operational Learning (part 3)
13 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We cover how the homework from last episode (being teachable) works with a 3.5 year old. Then it's all about creating the conditions for candor an...
Episode 12 - Operational Learning (part 2)
30 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We start by discussing the complexity of... you guessed it - baseball. From there, we start breaking down operational learning through the idea of ...
Episode 11 - Operational Learning (part 1)
16 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for another mini-series, and this time we're looking at all things operational learning. We start the series by discussing one area ...
Episode 10 - Agency and Empowerment
02 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Story Time! Andrea shares a story about giving agency to a group of workers and the changes that followed.
Episode 9 - Accountability (part 3)
19 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We wrap up the 3 part Accountability series by covering counterfactuals and how they impact our view of people or system problems, the role of a culpa...
Episode 8 - Accountability (part 2)
05 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We answer the question "when should we use HR disciplinary action/punishment?" with some stories and examples. From there, we look at how coun...
Episode 7 - Accountability (part 1)
21 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
So it begins! Part 1 of the multi-part Accountability discussion. We dive into Accountability and what it means to "hold someone accountable".
Episode 6 - Taylorism (part 2)
07 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Let's wrap up Taylorism (for now) with some practical examples and ways you can identify it in the workplace. Then it's on to Accountability.
Episode 5 - Taylorism (part 1)
24 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We'll go over some examples of where the parent-child dynamic happened in our week - from there it's all about Taylorism.
Episode 4 - Parent / Adult / Child Ego States
24 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss safety controls we defeat (or totally ignore) because they lack operational fidelity. Next it's onto audits / observations and the pare...
Episode 3 - Safety Controls
24 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Matt discusses his (ex?) fear of flying and we drill deeper into the idea of risk normalization. From there, it's on to safety "controls" ...
Episode 2 - Risk Normalization
24 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
We discuss real examples of fundamental attribution error inside and outside of the workplace. Then it's on to risk normalization - is it somethin...
Episode 1 - Fundamental Attribution Error
24 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
So it begins... We'll discuss what we're doing with this podcast and where fundamental attribution error shows up in our lives. Also, homework...
Welcome to A Hop Podcast (With No Name)
10 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Today you will hear about our all new podcast and what it's all about.